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    Question Anybody take any notes from the conf call today?


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    Was flying today, does any have any cliff notes on what went down on the conference call today?

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    From what I have heard, not much. A lot of we can't answer that and we don't know.

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    Aside from the handful of people calling in to ask personal questions, there was some good information. Nothing groundbreaking though.

    The best thing that I took away from it was the first real mention by anybody (MEC or AMR) that we actually have a fleet plan. I mentioned this on EL, but before today nobody had ever confirmed that a fleet plan existed. We were kind of waiting to hear about our fate.

    Today it was pretty much made clear. There is a fleet plan which the MEC has seen and AMR has made final. However, that fleet plan will only be released after a merger decision is announced which should happen in the next couple of weeks. There were no specifics given regarding the fleet plan, only that one exists.

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    Quote Originally Posted by embraer View Post
    There were no specifics given regarding the fleet plan, only that one exists.
    I am led to believe that this guy is carrying a copy of the fleet plan.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Grimreaper View Post
    I am led to believe that this guy is carrying a copy of the fleet plan.
    Interesting that the Gartoon was just down in SJU and told a few pilots with whom he spoke that the "plans" discussed with ALPA were ALWAYS based on a "standalone" AA, and that IF there was a merger, all bets were off....He said ALPA has been aware of this from the beginning.

    Now, just short of a merger announcement, we get ALPA malarkey about the ethereal "fleet plan"?

    Sounds like propaganda Goebbels could be proud of....

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    The fleet plan was tied to how many pilots were required as per the furlough protection. In the event of a merger, our furlough protection goes to 95% of the pilots on the AE seniority as of the time of BK approval of our amended contract. It will not be a fluctuating number (the way it reads now before the merger).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nemesis View Post
    Now, just short of a merger announcement, we get ALPA malarkey about the ethereal "fleet plan"?
    Do not neglect the psychological aspect. Management and ALPA are facing the reality of American Eagle pilots transferring to AA. ALPA running around waving a piece of paper and calling it a "fleet plan" is designed to hoodwink pilots into believing that American Eagle Airlines will be re-fleeted with larger gauge equipment. AE pilots declining the transfer to AA only serves management's agenda and interests. ALPA is just a management tool.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bailee atr View Post
    ....In the event of a merger, our furlough protection goes to 95% of the pilots on the AE seniority as of the time of BK approval of our amended contract....
    Two comments on your two assumptions:

    1. It is not "in the event of a merger" (as in US Airways/AA merger) that AE pilots attain 95% furlough protection, it is IF AE is DIVESTED (big difference) OR AA/AMR MERGES AND AE remains wholly-owned (no divestiture prior to AA merger), that such furlough protection is activated. The question is: if AE is placed into a holding corporation that contains Piedmont and PSA, does this constitute a "divestiture" under the language governing AE job protection? and,

    2. There is no "95% furlough protection...as of the time of the BK approval of our amended contract...", as you state. The 95% furlough protection becomes effective WHEN (and only when) the Bankruptcy Court approves the AMR RESTRUCTURING AGREEMENT. This has not occured yet, and is directly tied to statement 1. (above).

    Depending on what future AE has, management will adjust the staffing as necessary PRIOR to the date that AMR seeks Bankruptcy Court approval of their Restructuring Agreement.

    This means (hypothetically and for example) that IF AE is placed into a holding corporation containing PSA and Piedmont, and if, for example, AE becomes the EMB 50-seat operator in that holding company, AE would need to furlough any excess pilots PRIOR to such transaction, and certainly prior to AMR seeking Bankruptcy Court approval of their Restructuring Agreement.

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    The furlough protection language isn't that critical to the managements of regional airlines anyway. Unlike mainline carriers where attrition from other than the top like retirements or medicals is fairly small, regionals have comparatively high turnover rates. Since any flying this carrier is likely to lose will be a gradual shift to others, this carrier can successfully trim itself down as necessary by simple attrition at the rate of attrition (2-3 aircraft/month). Sounds like it's possible management simply doesn't want that excessive attrition NOW or at a rate they can't adjust for with removal of aircraft until they need or want to. I'm sure the merger is the big unknown and why they are stalling. Heard again today that this merger is a "done deal" and will be announced shortly, but I'll only believe it when I see it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Grimreaper View Post
    I am led to believe that this guy is carrying a copy of the fleet plan.

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    I apologize. The guy in this picture could not be carrying a copy of the Eagle Fleet Plan. The Fleet Plan does not exist. The American Eagle pilots now know, from the Bankruptcy Court filings of this afternoon, that there never was a Eagle Fleet Plan and there was no commitment by management to deploy large RJ aircraft at American Eagle Airlines. The American Eagle pilots were, once again, lied to by Tony Gutierrez and Dave Ryter.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Grimreaper View Post
    I apologize. The guy in this picture could not be carrying a copy of the Eagle Fleet Plan. The Fleet Plan does not exist. The American Eagle pilots now know, from the Bankruptcy Court filings of this afternoon, that there never was a Eagle Fleet Plan and there was no commitment by management to deploy large RJ aircraft at American Eagle Airlines. The American Eagle pilots were, once again, lied to by Tony Gutierrez and Dave Ryter.
    Oh my! The Sasquatch stands WRONGLY ACCUSED!

    Actually, if you look closely, the "bigfoot" is Little Tony sitting on Ryter's shoulders inside a monkey costume trying to sneak away from the scene of the crime. Just observe the guilty look on the costumed clown's face...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Grimreaper View Post
    I apologize. The guy in this picture could not be carrying a copy of the Eagle Fleet Plan. The Fleet Plan does not exist. The American Eagle pilots now know, from the Bankruptcy Court filings of this afternoon, that there never was a Eagle Fleet Plan and there was no commitment by management to deploy large RJ aircraft at American Eagle Airlines. The American Eagle pilots were, once again, lied to by Tony Gutierrez and Dave Ryter.
    This is factually true. Page 10 of the RAH objections the last paragraph cleary says essentially that.

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    Has anybody contacted the magicians, pointed out the contradictions in the filing and them apparently claiming their was a revitalized fleet plan and asking for an excu.......er, explanation ?

    It would seem they've been caught in a blatant lie to not only other reps (who disseminated this to the members), but the membership.

    More ammo for DFR, if you ask me. At this point, it would seem you guys could sack these crooks without a lawyer and do it pro per.

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    The following is an excerpt from the AFA's (Association of Flight Attendants - CWA) Objection (attached) to the Motion by AMR for Bankruptcy Court authorization and approval of the Republic Capacity Purchase Agreement.

    ?17. The Motion states that American Eagle will continue to provide ?the majority of regional feed services to American? but does not deny that a material portion of the existing regional lift provided to American Airlines by American Eagle will be diminished. (Dkt. No. 6339),?10.) To the extent that the Motion offers an explanation for not offering this opportunity to American Eagle, the Motion states that American Eagle ?does not currently own or have access to 76-seat regional aircraft necessary to satisfy American?s requirements.? (Id.) But the Motion does not indicate whether or not American Eagle was approached about a fleet plan modification that would provide the 76-seat regional aircraft.?

    The AFA state, in the first sentence above, ?a material portion of the existing regional lift provided to American Airlines by American Eagle will be diminished?.

    Read the last sentence of Tony Gutierrez?s Chairman Message below. It states. ?Any RFPs awarded to other carriers should be in addition to the plan AMR has for Eagle.?

    Who told Gutierrez that any RFPs awarded to other carriers should be in addition to the plan AMR has for Eagle when it can be inferred from the AFA statement above the AFA was never under the impression that the RFPs awarded to other carriers would be in addition to the AMR plan for Eagle?

    The last sentence in the AFA claim above is instructive. The AFA questions whether American Eagle was approached about a fleet plan modification that would provide 76-seat regional aircraft feed to American Airlines.

    Tony Gutierrez stated (below), ?we continue to work with Eagle management on the other aspect of AMR?s restructuring plan, which is the ?re-fleeting? of American Eagle.?

    What did Gutierrez and management discuss regarding the ?re-fleeting? of Eagle if the AFA was unaware of a fleet plan modification?

    Below is the relevant excerpt from the MEC Hotline of November 2, 2013 signed ?Captain Tony Gutierrez MEC Chairman?

    ?Keep in mind that part of AMR?s restructuring plan was to seek scope of work relief from the APA and once achieved, quickly move to introduce large RJs into its regional network and likely at other regional carriers. We do not know when this RFP will be issued but in the interim, we continue to work with Eagle management on the other aspect of AMR?s restructuring plan, which is the ?re-fleeting? of American Eagle. Although we will likely see additional RFPs awarded to other regional carriers, AMR still has a plan for Eagle and that minimum number of aircraft is protected in the recently ratified agreement. Any RFP?s awarded to other carriers should not affect the plan for Eagle?s fleet. That flying at other regionals is part of AMR?s business plan as well as the ?re-fleeting? of Eagle. Any RFPs awarded to other carriers should be in addition to the plan AMR has for Eagle.?

    ALPA National attorneys file an Objection to the Republic Capacity Purchase Agreement when Tony Gutierrez was well aware of the Republic RFP and never raised any objection to the CPA and, more importantly, continued to work with management on other aspects of AMR?s restructuring plan?

    AFA Objection to Republic CPA.pdf

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    well we all know tg and followers are liars and say whatever fits the moments emotional distress. tg and his followers have sold this pilot group a bunch of shi+ and still spin lies to cover up everything. the eagle fleet plan is about 150 aircraft after the refleeting of 2 e135's for 1 crj700/900, atr's have no replacement other than the crj's in ord being moved around to make room for RAH and the e175's in ord. not intil maybe 2015 will there be an increase of fleet size while other feeders are increasing there fleets now for aa feed, we are reducing. the bottom end of the seniority better hope some go to aa or somewhere else because by the end of the year we will be fat. training bubble wil not be required by after august.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Grimreaper View Post
    But the Motion does not indicate whether or not American Eagle was approached about a fleet plan modification that would provide the 76-seat regional aircraft.

    AFA Objection to Republic CPA.pdf
    So according to that wording, the current "fleet plan", (that we have never seen), must not include any 76 seat aircraft.
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