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    March 18, 2014

    Dear Fellow Eagle Pilots:

    This will be my last opportunity to send a message to you in my role as Training Committee Chairman. In May I will most likely be in new hire training at AA. It has been a pleasure serving Eagle pilots in this role, as well as in my former roles of Communication Committee Chairman, LEC 83 Secretary/Treasurer and Pilot 2 Pilot Representative.

    This pilot group is currently in the midst of a very important decision – voting on a TA that will define our way forward with this airline. It will also have significant impact on the definition of the regional and major airline industry in the next coming years. Because of this, I feel it is worthwhile to mention what I experienced at the latest ALPA Training Council meeting held in ALPA Headquarters in Herndon last month. Everyone seemed to be discussing one topic – the “pilot shortage.”

    During one of the sessions, we discussed the future of the Multi Crew Pilot License (MPL), as well as the challenge of finding qualified applicants for our training programs.

    The FAA’s Perspective

    We heard from high ranking FAA officials who described the latest status of regulatory changes concerning the Restricted ATP Certificate. It was very clearly stated that there is absolutely no appetite from Congress or FAA to provide any relief to the new changes in ATP certification brought about by PL 111-216. The Families of Continental Flight 3407 is a well-organized and influential lobby. There are currently no members of Congress willing to challenge them. Their website is www.3407memorial.com.

    The Airline Industry Perspective

    We were later joined by representative of Airlines 4 America, formerly known the Air Transport Association. They are the main lobby for the airlines. They were there to “explore” how ALPA might view a change in Airline Transport Pilot qualifications to allow for a great reduction in required flight hours and the concept of “ab initio” training. Basically, they were on a fishing trip. It was clear that they were very eager to find relief from the coming crisis.

    We discussed the finer points of ab initio training. We also frankly discussed the problem of the pilot shortage. The Director of Training for Delta Airlines was present and he remarked that “Delta does not have a shortage of pilot applicants” but he was at the same time “concerned for the future of pilot supply for the Delta Regional Network.”

    The Cost of Training A Pilot Is Rising Sharply

    We also discussed the change in the requirements of achieving an ATP that will take effect after July 31, 2014. This can be reviewed by researching FAA Notice N 8900.225. After this date, pilots pursuing an ATP certificate must also complete an ATP certification training program. This program must include 30 hours of ground training and 10 hours of simulator training. The program must be completed prior to being eligible to take the ATP written and practical tests. The 10 hours of simulator training will include 6 hours of training in a level C or D (full motion) simulator.

    According to the rule, this course will only be offered through Part 141, 142, 135 or 121 certificate holders, not allowing for Part 61 flight schools to develop courses and provide the training. Some have estimated that the cost of such a program may be approximately $15,000.

    Basically, the unanswered question in the room was… “Who is going to pay the cost of training all the future pilots that will be necessary in the coming years?” The cost of earning these certificates, the ATP Certification Program, and building flight time has now become prohibitive. This is the factor which will soon kill the civilian pipeline of future airline pilots.

    Who Is Going To Pay For It?

    It seemed unanimous to the Training Council that this cost would have to mean a great downsizing of the regional airline model and a shift towards mainline flying. Airlines will have a strong need for pilots to replace the coming retirements - and they will have to pay to attract and train these pilots.

    According to Airlines 4 America on March 5, the nine major airlines’ 2013 profits totaled approximately $7.4 billion. According to profit analysts, the New American Airlines is projected to earn $3.5 billion alone by 2014. That’s 3.5 with eight zeros behind it. $3,500,000,000!

    Major airlines have become addicted to the cheap pilot costs they’ve enjoyed for thirty years. They desperately want this to continue. No one wants to be the first to break ranks. Regional airlines are desperate too. They are feeling the squeeze. But, rather than turn towards their mainline partners and admit that the costs of regional flying are going up sharply, they are turning to their old game plan – squeeze airline labor. Pilots are usually an easy target.

    Is There Really A Shortage?

    While ALPA’s message is that we are facing a “pay and benefits shortage,” the answer is yes. Even if pay and benefits were sharply increased tomorrow, it doesn’t solve the problem. The numbers are huge.

    The number of pilot retirements in the coming years has been well publicized. The most notable report is from Boeing. The 2013 Boeing Pilot & Technician Outlook, a respected industry forecast of personnel demand, projects a requirement for 498,000 new commercial airline pilots and 556,000 new maintenance technicians to fly and maintain the new airplanes entering the world fleet over the next 20 years.

    It seemed clear to everyone present, including the Airlines 4 America representatives, that the current model of using regional airlines to train and mature pilots is unsustainable. American Airlines is a member of A4A. AAG management knows this is true as well. Something big will have to change.

    Pilots, for the first time since the 1960’s are now a valuable commodity.

    What About Flow Through Programs?

    Ladies and gentlemen, as a seasoned Eagle pilot you are currently qualified and marketable to any major airline that is hiring – whether you have PIC time or not. Eagle pilots will be moving to mainline jobs in greater numbers as each month passes. Therefore a flow through is a nice extra, but should not stop anyone from applying to the major airline of their choice.

    The Allied Pilots Association agrees. In a recent publication referencing the recent Government Accounting Office (GAO) report on the pilot shortage and wrote…

    "…the regional FFD (Fee For Departure) companies need to change the model or increase compensation if they want to incentivize ATP qualified pilots to work for them instead of taking a job at a major carrier."

    "Pilots, both individually and in organized groups at regional carriers, are realizing that the path to a major airline job with appropriate compensation is no longer necessarily through the regional carriers and that pay and long term career opportunities reside at the major carriers. APA Broadly supports the FFD pilots in their efforts to enhance the profession and reverse the decline of pilot wages and working conditions."

    "We encourage all professional pilots to reach out and offer support for the profession especially to the regional pilots that are under fire at this time." APA Scope Committee

    What Is A Pilot Really Worth?

    The vote before us will be very significant to the future of our airline. It will also be significant to the future of all pilots – regional and mainline. Recognizing our value as qualified, experienced Part 121 pilots will affect our fellow aviators at Expressjet, Skywest, Republic, and Compass. It will also affect our fellow aviators at United, Delta, American, Alaska, and the like.

    Who should pay the price for these rising costs? Should pilots bear the costs of unsustainable contracts with mainline providers? Should our spouses and children bear the burden of a broken business model? Are we willing to subsidize this model with concessions and paychecks that have been frozen for a decade?

    I feel that this information is vital for every Eagle pilot to understand. The TA that is currently being promoted by Eagle management seems to contradict everything I heard in Washington DC. It is basically being presented to you as a way to help everyone flow to American Airlines and to attract new hires. It may help attract some. But many experienced Eagle pilots recognize the familiar scheme of future promises in an attempt to cling to the rock bottom business model of the past.

    Things Are Changing Rapidly

    Only 10 days after exiting bankruptcy, AAG informed us that the “landscape had changed” in the airline industry and that they would need additional concessions from Eagle pilots in order to bring new flying to our airline. Things are changing indeed - faster than anyone imagined. Things are about to change quite significantly as it relates to regional airlines and their ability to staff their cockpits. The pilots at Skywest, ExpressJet, and Republic know this. Other FFD (Fee For Departure) pilot groups are beginning to take notice as well. These changes should cause an immediate red flag at any agreement that we make which has a 10 year duration with no indexing ability to capture the benefits of this situation.

    The Industry Is Watching

    Pilots at other airlines - major and regional alike - are watching us. Airline managements - major and regional alike - are watching us. This is a large pilot group that can bring significant pressure to bear on the entire industry. This pressure can be used to build or destroy.

    After our Training Council meetings were over, the unofficial meetings began – in the hotel bar. It was an honor to be congratulated by all the other regional pilots present. They all recognized the Eagle MEC’s stand against the B-scale and a concessionary contract. Every single regional pilot at this event offered to buy me drinks. “No Eagle pilot is going to buy his own drink tonight!” My normal beverage is ice water with lemon, but I was nonetheless grateful for the sentiment. Notably, representatives from PSA were not present at the meetings.

    Ladies and gentlemen, we must put a stop to this broken cycle. Skywest pilots have seen a positive trend in pay rates. Expressjet pilots recently overwhelmingly rejected concessions. The Republic pilots are watching to see how Eagle pilots vote.

    There will also be those who don’t care about the future of the profession as a whole. There are those who are senior who are too close to retiring to want to rock the boat. I am hopeful that enough Eagle pilots care about the future to make a stand for the future of our livelihoods.

    The eyes of the industry are watching us. We will carry this decision with us at the layover hotels, in the airport terminals, in the jumpseats, and in the seats that we will occupy at future airlines.

    Vote wisely.

    Capt. Rich Krutenat
    MEC Training Committee Chair

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    Capt. Rich Krutenat (MEC Training Committee Chair) Speaks Openly and Honestly


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    Can I get an AMEN, why is this so difficult to understand!!! Cut and dry, black and white!!!!


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    Wow. Inspirational. I hope this help those on the fence.

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    This is one of the best argument the for a NO vote. This is the kind of stuff that needs to be put in people's mailboxes.

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    Beautiful!

    Carry copies, leave them in the crew lounges and on both pilots seats on a plane swap
    Hand it personally to every Yes voter you meet.

    No Eagle Pilot should finalize their TA decision until they have read this.
    11 days and counting.
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    loved the article. well written.
    Good luck at AA, thanks for the great work
    Sir, can I have another.

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    Thank you for all your hard work and time, Rich.

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    Wow. Well thought out, well written. No one should be a yes after this.

    All right folks, no more talk. Print this out and spread it around. Put it on the backs of crew doors like G6 in ord. I'm on vacation so I'm counting on you.

    Also, why isn't this on EL yet?

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    Absolutely brilliant. THIS is something I have been looking for to give intelligent, thoughtful, and most importantly non biased reason for a NO vote. All due respect to all here but so much emotion has flowed on these forums that we need intelligent thrust to the NO vote for all the yessers and fencers. Pass it around

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    Quote Originally Posted by GearupShutup View Post

    Also, why isn't this on EL yet?
    It is

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    Quote Originally Posted by HotSauce View Post
    It is
    I musta done miased it.

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    wheres orchard? crickets…...

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    Quote Originally Posted by GearupShutup View Post
    I musta done miased it.
    http://forums.eaglelounge.com/showthread.php?t=40190

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    Hey Rich is great guy, really enjoy speaking with him, every interaction I've had with him has been positive. I respect him and his view, he's RIGHT on many aspects.

    Saying that I have just one question. Why hasn't anyone called? No one, where are the roves of guys going to UAL, DAL, Alaska, etc...(I don't count spirit or JetBlue, I'm talking majors) I know many many guys here who have very good references with big carriers who haven't heard a word in over a year. How many guys have been going to job fairs, haven't gotten any calls, none I know of. (Maybe I'm wrong and guys have left), but from my low perch I don't see many interviews being offered. We're losing 30-50 a month, not to Majors. So my one question to all the guys here is why is no one getting called?

    I'm not trying to be a closed minded jerk here, educate me please.

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    collusion between mainline managers via A4A. I wont take yours if you don't take mine.
    opinion
    Sir, can I have another.

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    More than you think. Many are waiting on class dates to blow this joint. Training at many places are playing catch up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Orchard View Post
    Hey Rich is great guy, really enjoy speaking with him, every interaction I've had with him has been positive. I respect him and his view, he's RIGHT on many aspects.

    Saying that I have just one question. Why hasn't anyone called? No one, where are the roves of guys going to UAL, DAL, Alaska, etc...(I don't count spirit or JetBlue, I'm talking majors) I know many many guys here who have very good references with big carriers who haven't heard a word in over a year. How many guys have been going to job fairs, haven't gotten any calls, none I know of. (Maybe I'm wrong and guys have left), but from my low perch I don't see many interviews being offered. We're losing 30-50 a month, not to Majors. So my one question to all the guys here is why is no one getting called?

    I'm not trying to be a closed minded jerk here, educate me please.
    I flew with a CA a few days ago who starts class at Airways next week.

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    good he got ahead of the flow power to him
    Sir, can I have another.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Orchard View Post
    Hey Rich is great guy, really enjoy speaking with him, every interaction I've had with him has been positive. I respect him and his view, he's RIGHT on many aspects.

    Saying that I have just one question. Why hasn't anyone called? No one, where are the roves of guys going to UAL, DAL, Alaska, etc...(I don't count spirit or JetBlue, I'm talking majors) I know many many guys here who have very good references with big carriers who haven't heard a word in over a year. How many guys have been going to job fairs, haven't gotten any calls, none I know of. (Maybe I'm wrong and guys have left), but from my low perch I don't see many interviews being offered. We're losing 30-50 a month, not to Majors. So my one question to all the guys here is why is no one getting called?

    I'm not trying to be a closed minded jerk here, educate me please.
    Buddy of mine just left for Southwest and we have lost a few to American, interns and females etc., If they are leaving period what does it matter where to. There have been a bunch to corporate, fractionals and LLCs. I would have to default to the fact the majors just started hiring and are work through some extremely qualified applicants as well as sons, daughters and close friends. As soon as it kicks in gear and they work through the creme da la creme they will be picking up us eagle losers! On top of that we do have out most qualified that are not even trying and are just waiting for there flow and most of them are serious no votes.


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    Let's get it done. Print em out and pass it out.

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