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    This situation sux, but itís a huge reason as to why I chose SWA....


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    instead of waiting for flow to AA

    https://seekingalpha.com/article/433...-investability

    Weíll be hiring again this year, consider the jump across the street.

    - Wink for dacuj
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    Quote Originally Posted by RobertRoss View Post
    instead of waiting for flow to AA

    https://seekingalpha.com/article/433...-investability

    We’ll be hiring again this year, consider the jump across the street.

    - Wink for dacuj
    I assume the wink to dacuj isn’t an invitation to apply to Southwest (he couldn’t get hired there anyway). Someone of his embarrassing bad “pedigree” would be a major stain on your company.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Beagleboy View Post
    I assume the wink to dacuj isn’t an invitation to apply to Southwest (he couldn’t get hired there anyway). Someone of his embarrassing bad “pedigree” would be a major stain on your company.
    No, the wink was just an acknowledgement of his enjoyment of being shot down by facts.

    And preemptively, no, I never failed a PC or a Check-ride, yes I could have been hired by AA, no I didnít make a mistake & yes Iím very happy with my decision.

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    It's an interesting article. It lost me when it included ATSG into the O formula comparison with regular passenger airlines.
    Sticking ATSG in with the 121 scheduled airlines is apples and oranges.
    ATSG's majority of revenue is not even from it's three airlines.
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    This article is totally worthless. Semantics. Just the opinion of one writer who has a huge bias in favor of Southwest. The formulas he comes up with are totally absurd and have no merit. Sorry there Robert Ross. You'll just have to continue living with your terrible decision. As for the ATSG portion, wow, no surprise that Cujo comes on here disagreeing with that portion. Hey dude, you work for a lowball and sleazy outfit. I know it's difficult to put the past behind you but it is what I recommend in your case although I am quite certain it falls on deaf ears.

    That said, just as I predicted, the 20 175s from CPZ are making their way back to Envoy. I will give credence to some opinions that note that 50 seat flying isn't profitable. With that in mind, down the road a few years, I see Envoy as a behemoth operating 250+ 175s only further strengthening those ties with AA and becoming even tighter. AA needs this premium feed and going forward, Envoy is one of the very, very few that are well positioned to do it.

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    Congratulations Dacuj on your nomination for President of the FFA
    Future Furloughs of American

    But 100% correct on ď Envoy a behemoth operating 250+ 175sĒ The New Domestic Airlines. Finally we agree 100% on something. Unfortunately that growth will come at the expense of others. But well said Dacuj. Envoy will grow one more time.
    RIP Scope!
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    Can the e175 go jfk non stop to lax?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dacuj View Post
    This article is totally worthless. Semantics. Just the opinion of one writer who has a huge bias in favor of Southwest. The formulas he comes up with are totally absurd and have no merit. Sorry there Robert Ross. You'll just have to continue living with your terrible decision. As for the ATSG portion, wow, no surprise that Cujo comes on here disagreeing with that portion. Hey dude, you work for a lowball and sleazy outfit. I know it's difficult to put the past behind you but it is what I recommend in your case although I am quite certain it falls on deaf ears.

    That said, just as I predicted, the 20 175s from CPZ are making their way back to Envoy. I will give credence to some opinions that note that 50 seat flying isn't profitable. With that in mind, down the road a few years, I see Envoy as a behemoth operating 250+ 175s only further strengthening those ties with AA and becoming even tighter. AA needs this premium feed and going forward, Envoy is one of the very, very few that are well positioned to do it.

    I simply pointed out that ATSG is not an airline. The others are all corporations who's primary revenue is from running passenger air carrier services. ATSG's is not. I didn't want to slap anybody in the face since I do not wish bad times on anybody; but our flying hasn't really reduced. Instead of the few PAX sub contracts for places like Air Canada, they now are doing repatriation and more Govt flights. They just added some new regular DOD routes, and we are getting two more planes. The ATI and ABX side are both still flying their cargo stuff. All three of the airlines combined is only about 30% of ATSG revenue.
    Sorry, Stooge, the pandemic just hasn't hit us the same. The military and Govt (Omni) and the boxes (ATI & ABX) still have to fly.

    Lowball sleazy outfit? You'll have to explain that.

    We have the highest first year pay (not bonus gimmicks) in the entire 121 industry (currently 1st year is $124ph). It's a decent income from day one. Our step rates are comparable with all three legacy carriers on the same equipment. We've had one(1) grievance all year because they are not constantly trying to push the bounds of our contract. The planes are maintained very well, an MEL rarely makes it past one leg. We're treated well, paid well, and we perform well for our company.
    Can AA/ENY say that? If that's lowball sleazy; sign me up for more. Where I come from, lying to your employees, always violating their contract, doing tings like turning off Quick-Bid just to bust balls are signs of lowball sleazy companies.

    You predicted the CPZ E175's coming to Envoy? What kind of moronic statement is that. We ALL knew from day one it was a temporary contract and the planes would come home. That's like saying I predict the sun will come up tomorrow.


    It's spring; don't you have some Military Background practices for your civil war acting reenactments ?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dacuj View Post
    ........ Just the opinion of one writer who has a huge bias in favor of Southwest. The formulas he comes up with are totally absurd and have no merit. Sorry there Robert Ross. You'll just have to continue living with your terrible decision........
    SWAís balance sheet being the strongest in the industry is not an opinion, itís a fact.

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    Too bad for me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RobertRoss View Post
    SWA’s balance sheet being the strongest in the industry is not an opinion, it’s a fact.

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    Too bad for me.
    ATSG +38% in the same time period.

    Too bad for me too....
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    Box haulers are still busy, and adding flights in many cases

    https://www.aircargonews.net/airlines/air-cargo-continues-to-ramp-up-emergency-response-operations/
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