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    Quote Originally Posted by ardvark View Post
    The management at AA just don’t get it. Front-line AA employees are convinced they’re still just bricks in their backpack.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RobertRoss View Post
    Fixed it for you.

    $80,000,000.00 more on half the revenue.
    Hmm, that's rich. I think you are just jealous that you took a bad detour and ended up at an all 737 operator who keeps pulling flying back and shrinking. You could have flowed. Do you ever regret this type of boneheaded decision?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Beagleboy View Post
    The management at AA just don’t get it. Front-line AA employees are convinced they’re still just bricks in their backpack.
    Article was obviously written by someone with extreme bias against American and a h**d on for Delta. Someone like yourself maybe? Isom's comments in no way should be construed as "out of touch." He was stating realities and the plans to correct minor issues and get back on track. That's what any successful company does.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dacuj View Post
    Hmm, that's rich. I think you are just jealous that you took a bad detour and ended up at an all 737 operator who keeps pulling flying back and shrinking. You could have flowed. Do you ever regret this type of boneheaded decision?
    Youíve already used that one on me, and youíre still wrong. Fun fact, AAG paid for my 73 type. Iíd say that came out of your profit sharing if you had any appreciable amount to speak of. But still, thanks for that.
    Last edited by RobertRoss; 09-09-2019 at 03:47 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RobertRoss View Post
    You’ve already used that one on me, and you’re still wrong. Fun fact, AAG paid for my 73 type. I’d say that came out of your profit sharing if you had any appreciable amount to speak of. But still, thanks for that.
    He’s just jealous.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dacuj View Post
    Hmm, that's rich. I think you are just jealous that you took a bad detour and ended up at an all 737 operator who keeps pulling flying back and shrinking. You could have flowed. Do you ever regret this type of boneheaded decision?
    More than just a few of AA new hires walked out of indoc to accept jobs with Southwest.

    That speaks volumes about about the worlds largest LCC.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dacuj View Post
    Hmm, that's rich. I think you are just jealous that you took a bad detour and ended up at an all 737 operator who keeps pulling flying back and shrinking. You could have flowed. Do you ever regret this type of boneheaded decision?
    Gosh Iím so jealous, I just canít contain it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cujo665 View Post
    More than just a few of AA new hires walked out of indoc to accept jobs with Southwest.

    That speaks volumes about about the worlds largest LCC.
    Iím sorry, but that doesnít say anything. AA has had guys from southwest, delta and jetblue. Delta has had guys from jetblue, southwest and probably AA too. My friend over at SWA is the only one left from his class. His classmates bailed and went to other legacies. Iím sure itís the same story over at UAL, FedEx and ups. Itís a pilotís market. They go to legacy A while waiting out for B. It says next to nothing about the airline.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Glo227 View Post
    Iím sorry, but that doesnít say anything. AA has had guys from southwest, delta and jetblue. Delta has had guys from jetblue, southwest and probably AA too. My friend over at SWA is the only one left from his class. His classmates bailed and went to other legacies. Iím sure itís the same story over at UAL, FedEx and ups. Itís a pilotís market. They go to legacy A while waiting out for B. It says next to nothing about the airline.
    Agreed, but AA isnít a legacy anymore at least in pilot compensation and QWL. If pilots come to AA, itís usually for domicile/commuting.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Glo227 View Post
    ........too. My friend over at SWA is the only one left from his class. His classmates bailed and went to other legacies. ........
    Seems unlikely. Not 1 pilot from my class has left.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RobertRoss View Post
    Seems unlikely. Not 1 pilot from my class has left.
    Ok? Itís likely. If I recall one went to FedEx and the other UPS. They wanted to fly heavies and were previous military. Itís not saying anything negative about SWA or any other airline out there. The whole point is that guys are moving from legacy A to B for a variety of different reasons.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Beagleboy View Post
    Agreed, but AA isnít a legacy anymore at least in pilot compensation and QWL. If pilots come to AA, itís usually for domicile/commuting.
    And the retirement numbers too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RobertRoss View Post
    Seems unlikely. Not 1 pilot from my class has left.
    Your one class represents the entire group?

    Pilots have left all four of the big airlines for the other four. More than likely for their bases.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Glo227 View Post
    Ok? It’s likely. If I recall one went to FedEx and the other UPS. They wanted to fly heavies and were previous military. It’s not saying anything negative about SWA or any other airline out there. The whole point is that guys are moving from legacy A to B for a variety of different reasons.
    Agreed

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    Quote Originally Posted by Glo227 View Post
    And the retirement numbers too.
    Agree that is likely another attraction. Most pilots donít research carriers enough to gauge the value of any given assumption of benefit though, so while that may appear as a benefit, in the case of AA, it is at high risk of evaporating as s reality in the future.

    In regard to the assumption of AAís retirement numbers translating into an actual advancement benefit, the check is most definitely in the mail. That check is signed by an entity known for bouncing them when it comes to promises made to pilots.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Beagleboy View Post
    . That check is signed by an entity known for bouncing them when it comes to promises made to pilots.
    Translation.... wiped out through bankruptcy...... stock down again, Forbes downgrades AAL
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cujo665 View Post
    Translation.... wiped out through bankruptcy...... stock down again, Forbes downgrades AAL
    Wrong. Stock up almost 1.5% today alone. I would expect that upward trend to continue when the adjustments mentioned in this article begin to take hold.

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    Everyone has some facts correct.

    AAL is up over 30 days Flat over 6 months. And down 1 yr and 5 yr.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Meatloaf View Post
    Everyone has some facts correct.

    AAL is up over 30 days Flat over 6 months. And down 1 yr and 5 yr.
    Letís hope the economy remains strong. AA canít withstand a recession without another strategic Chapter 11 filing. Even with a strong economy though, how does management fix the broken product?

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