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    Looks like they made a deal...
    Who’s got the details?
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    This came out

    July 24th, 2019
    Envoy Pilots,

    Since my last communication, Envoy management has continued to engage with your Association regarding changes to the compensation provided to the pilots. One of ALPA’s requirements for further discussions was documentation holding the company accountable and confirming their ability to act on topics they agree to. We made it clear that for there to be trust in Envoy management, verification that they were authorized to agree to the matters we would be discussing was necessary.

    This weekend, Envoy management transmitted to your MEC a Protocol Agreement confirming their authority to make changes to our CBA. Included with the Protocol Agreement was a proposal to increase our Section 3 hourly rates with an effective date of June 1st, 2019 and annual increases to begin on January 1st, 2020. Also, the company offered to increase flow for pilots who are part of the “L1011” group (pilots hired after October 10th, 2011 but prior to the signing of letter 15-01). After discussion, the company agreed to increase monthly flow for these pilots from 15 per month to 20 per month subject to the monthly AA hiring calculations. Additionally, management’s proposal eventually included increases to the monthly pay guarantees for our Training Center Check Airmen – ranging from 98 hours to 110 hours based on their designation letters. Finally, the company included it’s intent to continue discussing reserve changes that would include a long call system.

    After several days of extensive negotiations and back and forth discussions, the company made a formal proposal. When this proposal was received, I called a special MEC meeting. Yesterday evening, the MEC agreed to implement the terms of the company’s proposal. Today was spent with members of Envoy management finalizing contract language associated with the proposal. This language will be published when the agreements are fully executed.

    Suffice to say, the last 4 months have certainly been challenging. Our pilots made it clear from the beginning: positive and durable modifications must come to our CBA with no contractual concessions – this has been achieved. Your leadership remained steadfast in its focus on the pilot group’s priorities and ensuring any agreement reflected those priorities. While this agreement addresses many of our pilot group’s immediate needs, we all understand there continues to be considerable room for improvement.

    Finally, while numerous dedicated volunteers contributed countless hours of their personal time over the past several months to obtain these needed improvements for the pilot group, the pilot group itself deserves recognition. The fortitude and solidarity exhibited recently is a testament to the importance of our unity. The engagement of our pilot group with their various volunteers and leaders is at a level not seen since the darkest days of bankruptcy and has aided in us reaching the point where we are today.

    Management at Envoy has recognized the changing landscape of the industry. I am encouraged by management’s acknowledgement of the importance of competitively compensating our pilots. Combined with this renewed engagement from the pilot group, we are entering a new chapter in the interactions between Envoy Management and ALPA. Time will be the ultimate judge of these changes as we continue to look for new volunteers and leaders to step up and facilitate this course.

    Once again, thank you for your continued unity and professionalism.

    In Unity,

    Steven Pallai

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    Steven.Pallai@alpa.org

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    No 10 day posting requirement anymore prior to voting?
    No more requirement for a pilot vote on significant CBA changes?

    Since when would a 15% change and flow changes be minor changes not requiring 10 day posting and a pilot vote? You really want the precedent of changing flow without the pilots voting, or without winning an arbitration? Get your 50% of all new hires language back.

    If I were still there, I’d appreciate the opportunity to vote no on their insufficient pittance offering. They’re bleeding Pilots. Knock off the bandaids.

    Your mileage may vary
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    “Up to 15%”
    Y’all know what that means...

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    Good for Envoy pilots.

    I hope it’s something they can accept. That being said, it would be foolish to assume Envoy management did this out of altruism and has finally “changed their ways”. IMO, if they didn’t believe they were forced to by the desperation they are facing for the future, they wouldn’t have made any effort. This agreement’s face value cannot and SHOULD not erase the decades of consistent behavior of ignoring the interests of their pilots and/or repeatedly violating the very agreements they make. It will take a LONG period of demonstration they view pilots differently as opposed to buck-and-wing band-aids and contractual rope-a-dope.

    Also IMO, this won’t result in a stampede to Envoy as the well is already dry and piling up a deeper layer of dust as we speak. The industry killed the golden goose years ago and it’s just now the carcass is beginning to smell too much for their liking. It will likely stem some attrition though, the key phrase being “some”, if it’s what it cracked up to be by the MEC Chair. It also changes nothing for the future of flows as THAT is dependent on the situation at AA which is bad. The temporary existence at Envoy might be better if Envoy management adheres to what they agree to (IF it’s palatable to the pilots), but long-term AAG MUST correct the situation at AA and that is becoming less likely with each passing week.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cujo665 View Post
    No 10 day posting requirement anymore prior to voting?
    No more requirement for a pilot vote on significant CBA changes?

    Since when would a 15% change and flow changes be minor changes not requiring 10 day posting and a pilot vote? You really want the precedent of changing flow without the pilots voting, or without winning an arbitration? Get your 50% of all new hires language back.

    If I were still there, I’d appreciate the opportunity to vote no on their insufficient pittance offering. They’re bleeding Pilots. Knock off the bandaids.

    Your mileage may vary

    Constitution and Bylaws require this I hope. One of the MAJOR flaws of this and past ALPA Associations is excessive paternalism. It’s bad enough the Envoy pilots group is treated like children by Envoy management, but their own Association “leadership” ?

    I hope it’s not true.

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    Well.........perhaps I spoke too soon regarding any congrats to Envoy pilots. Reading APC, it sounds like the same old stale company cake with Association frosting resulting in career gas, bloating and diarrhea for the pilot group. Again, I hope not as it sounds like the MEC chairman is saying this is the best thing since sliced bread. Are the pilots about to eat cake ? In fact, will they even have a chance to willing eat it or will it be force fed to them.......again ?

    Looking forward to the specifics to better judge the reality. Hope history hasn’t repeated itself yet again.

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    Coincidentally us mechanics received an out of contract pay raise effective 6/1 also. Seems there’s a shortage of A&Ps also

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    Quote Originally Posted by ERJSRUS View Post
    Coincidentally us mechanics received an out of contract pay raise effective 6/1 also. Seems there’s a shortage of A&Ps also
    How does that compare to your peers at other regionals ? I don’t know, but that would be one consideration. Same with a Envoy pilots. Are any new contractual “industry leading” or are they simply a sprinkle of sugar here and a dollop of whip cream there ? HAS Envoy management truly recognized Envoy pilots or are they simply grudgingly reacting to reality as late as they dare to keep up with the Jones’s at other regionals ?
    Last edited by Beagleboy; 07-25-2019 at 08:07 AM.

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