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    “...they are engaged in an effort to turn the pilots against their representatives in a desperate attempt at union busting.”

    Frank Lorenzo Part II

    June 15th 2019
    Fellow Pilots,

    On Tuesday I signed an Agreement in Principle, along with the Envoy Senior Labor Relations Counsel and management's lead negotiator, to secure a comprehensive compensation improvement package for the pilots at Envoy. The Agreement in Principle was reached following a day of intense negotiations and was predicated on previous negotiating meetings. In preparing for the final round of negotiations it was made clear that neither the MEC, nor the pilots at Envoy, would accept any deal which left us lagging in compensation or had concessions attached to compensation improvements.

    Once an Agreement in Principle is signed, the significant terms of an agreement are in place and the negotiating process is essentially over, with the tenets of the deal in place. The next step is drafting and editing contract language implementing the essential terms of the agreement. Sometimes this drafting process takes time, however Envoy management seemed determined to alleviate the mounting pressure they are experiencing to increase compensation and quality of life at Envoy due to the recent ratification of pay rate increases at Piedmont, as well as the PSA deal that was inked in early April. As such, we expected a language pass to be presented to us quickly. After the Agreement in Principle was signed, I called an MEC meeting via teleconference for Wednesday night in anticipation that draft contract language would be prepared and ready for evaluation by the MEC.

    On Wednesday, the Company sent their first language pass derived from the Agreement in Principle that was signed by both parties on Tuesday. The language arrived less than two hours prior to the MEC teleconference, so there was not adequate time to thoroughly review and make technical corrections to the language reflecting our agreement prior to the teleconference. During the teleconference I updated the MEC on the progress of negotiations. Although the Agreement in Principle doesn't provide every provision we were seeking, it is a document that we found satisfactory and agreed to, and one that I believe the MEC would ratify.

    The Agreement in Principle that Envoy management and your MEC Chairman agreed to includes many positive provisions for the pilots at Envoy without concessions. Some of the highlights are below:

    Pay rates would be increased to a level slightly higher than those at PSA with retroactivity to May 15.
    Pay-out upon flow through or retirement of accrued sick banks
    Improvements to Reserve work rules which provide increased time off and more predictability
    A reduction of pilot contribution to health care costs
    Several Letters of Intent and agreements including Grievance Settlements which would provide a remedy for the affected pilots
    All the recent progress came to a screeching halt late on Friday afternoon.

    On Thursday, the MEC Officers, Contract Compliance Committee Chairman, and Envoy ALPA Senior Labor Relations Counsel worked throughout the day to vet and edit the language pass from the company. Late Thursday, we transmitted our revised language, which consisted of minor edits and clean-ups, back to the Company for their review. Then on Friday, I was told by Management's lead negotiator that the Company would be backing out of the Agreement in Principle that was agreed to earlier this week. The excuse given was that AAG had told Envoy management that they had exceeded their authority. At no time during this round of negotiations, and at no time before the Company signed the AIP on Tuesday, did Envoy indicate that their authority was limited or subject to the veto of AAG. This after the fact excuse to welsh on our agreement is in no way consistent with good faith negotiations.

    This isn't the first time that our management has demonstrated bad faith in negotiations – a recent example being the failed Reserve Rules change proposals from negotiations ending in January. However, the impact of management reneging on this Agreement in Principle is far more damaging. The credibility of our management has been completely undermined by their actions this week, leaving us unable to trust that they will follow through on future agreements. This behavior is unacceptable.

    Whether or not AAG is stepping in to rescind our agreement, or Envoy management ever actually conferred with AAG when they claimed to, is immaterial at this point. They made an agreement and are now repudiating it in bad faith. We cannot continue to pursue good faith negotiations with a management team that is incapable of following through on the agreements they make with the Association.

    Envoy management is either unable to identify the mounting challenges facing the viability of the operation, or they are engaged in an effort to turn the pilots against their representatives in a desperate attempt at union busting. It is often assumed that management's actions are nefarious, but this week's events demonstrate that they simply are not committed to negotiate in good faith. Only when AAG recognizes and acknowledges that the pilots of Envoy demand an agreement that provides pay parity relative to the industry measured in real compensation, and not just pay rate tables, will it be possible for us to view it as a partner acting in good faith to offer a career path that meets industry standards. My profound disappointment in our management is shared by your LEC Representatives, the other MEC Officers, and volunteers who work tirelessly to represent the best interests of the pilot group day in and day out.

    Originally, when we sent our update last Friday, a communication explaining why we hadn't come to an agreement was in development and slated for distribution. We determined that the signing of an Agreement in Principle, which represented the framework for tangible, durable, ratifiable, and much needed compensation improvements, eliminated the need to distribute that communication. Now that the company has reneged on the signed Agreement in Principle, it seems prudent to share with the pilot group the reasons why we are where we are. Following the transmittal of this update, we are also distributing a communication which was originally slated for distribution earlier this week.

    You have the right to be angry.

    You have the right to be disappointed.

    Your management has failed you yet again.

    You deserve proper compensation.

    You deserve acceptable work rules.

    Your Local Representatives are advocating for you tirelessly.

    Your Officers and Committee Volunteers continue to focus on providing the services the pilots require.

    I will not rest in my representation of the pilot group, my responsibility and duty to you.



    It is never pleasant to be the bearer of bad news. Today marks the latest unwarranted disparagement of Envoy Pilots in a series of adversarial and toxic interactions initiated by Envoy management. We ask you in the meantime to continue to exhibit professionalism.


    In Unity,

    ENY MEC Chairman


    “Doug Parker got it right”
    ~Frank Lorenzo~
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    One thing’s for sure, recruiting just took another torpedo a mid ship.
    Curious to here what the resident cheer leader has to say about this latest development.

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    Nothing new here, they are still working together...just setting up the stage, so at the end, when they agree to the pay raises with concessions...both, MEC and Envoy Management will look good. Just out of the playbook. Give it another 120 days, when the MEC Chairman flows. Now that MEC showed what they are willing to accept. Time to reshuffle and play again.

    ENY MEC & Envoy Management,
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    What say you Dacuj? Enquiring minds want to know.

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    3 things pop to mind: 1) A certain ALPA attorney’s head must be spinning and wetting their lips for a lawsuit 2) You guys are toast. Openly bad faith in today’s society? The social media blitz that’s to follow will destroy the airline. 3) Group can exercise their get out of jail card and end the flow. Between mainline lawsuits against MX and the impending ALPA lawsuit - well, you finish the sentence.

    I hope you guys pick up all that summer 200%, single engine taxi for pax comfort, extend to get to the hotel, and rush to get out on time. Be safe. Emotions are hot. Fly your FM1.

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    Apla lawsuit, did o not get the memo.
    Aag said envoy exceeded its authority and they backed out of a done deal.
    I guess envoy mgt has no authority at all except to fu ck this pilot group.
    I wish there would be a lawsuit against envoy and aag

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    Quote Originally Posted by styx View Post
    3 things pop to mind: 1) A certain ALPA attorney’s head must be spinning and wetting their lips for a lawsuit 2) You guys are toast. Openly bad faith in today’s society? The social media blitz that’s to follow will destroy the airline. 3) Group can exercise their get out of jail card and end the flow. Between mainline lawsuits against MX and the impending ALPA lawsuit - well, you finish the sentence.

    I hope you guys pick up all that summer 200%, single engine taxi for pax comfort, extend to get to the hotel, and rush to get out on time. Be safe. Emotions are hot. Fly your FM1.
    If history is any indication, this latest apparent development will result in little actual action by most Envoy pilots. A small percentage of the very junior with little invested might get aggressive and bail, but most are committed and management knows this. It might impact future hires, but that is apparently already in the dumpster.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pedropacas View Post
    What say you Dacuj? Enquiring minds want to know.
    He can “say” a lot, but it will tell you virtually nothing. Is this situation really that much of a surprise ? To those that it is, I think they’ve been on autopilot. It’s NO different at AA. Same old attitude, same old playbook. Same future.

    You want a job at AA ? Stay at Envoy, take the punches and cross your fingers. You want a career elsewhere ? Bust a move.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NoOtPilot View Post
    Nothing new here, they are still working together...just setting up the stage, so at the end, when they agree to the pay raises with concessions...both, MEC and Envoy Management will look good. Just out of the playbook. Give it another 120 days, when the MEC Chairman flows. Now that MEC showed what they are willing to accept. Time to reshuffle and play again.

    ENY MEC & Envoy Management,
    Working & Staying in Unity
    You really are a bit of a ****, ain't ya

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    Quote Originally Posted by NoOtPilot View Post
    Nothing new here, they are still working together...just setting up the stage, so at the end, when they agree to the pay raises with concessions...both, MEC and Envoy Management will look good. Just out of the playbook. Give it another 120 days, when the MEC Chairman flows. Now that MEC showed what they are willing to accept. Time to reshuffle and play again.

    ENY MEC & Envoy Management,
    Working & Staying in Unity
    Change the by-laws to allow a non pilot to be MEC chairman. Then hire a professional that doesn’t have to worry about being fired to screw up flowing.

    Id take that job, screw them. This management team is the most unscrupulous, unethical, lying, sadistic bunch of pricks I’ve ever seen.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kfour View Post
    You really are a bit of a ****, ain't ya
    I was wondering if you’d ever make even a single post.

    How’s it going over there?
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    Im still waiting for dacuj to show up

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cujo665 View Post
    Change the by-laws to allow a non pilot to be MEC chairman. Then hire a professional that doesn’t have to worry about being fired to screw up flowing.

    Id take that job, screw them. This management team is the most unscrupulous, unethical, lying, sadistic bunch of pricks I’ve ever seen.
    That’s actually not a bad idea. If you negate the companies ability to compromise the MEC in the way they have done in the past, even better if they can’t fire them, they’ll be forced to negotiate differently.

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    http://www.collaborativelabor.com/

    Those guys might work

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cujo665 View Post
    Change the by-laws to allow a non pilot to be MEC chairman. Then hire a professional that doesn’t have to worry about being fired to screw up flowing.

    Id take that job, screw them. This management team is the most unscrupulous, unethical, lying, sadistic bunch of pricks I’ve ever seen.
    Try that at your own airline and see how many people laugh at you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sirsnacksalot View Post
    One thing’s for sure, recruiting just took another torpedo a mid ship.
    Curious to here what the resident cheer leader has to say about this latest development.
    It's not the first time the airline has done this to itself.

    Stolen from a near-dead forum

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jose Jimenez View Post
    Try that at your own airline and see how many people laugh at you.
    ALPA National is now run by a non-pilot.....
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cujo665 View Post
    ALPA National is now run by a non-pilot.....
    Who?

    https://www.alpa.org/about-alpa/our-...cers/president
    Captain Joe DePete, President

    Captain Joe DePete serves as the eleventh president of the Air Line Pilots Association, International (ALPA), which represents more than 62,000 professional airline pilots in the United States and Canada and is the largest nongovernmental aviation safety organization in the world. He was elected at the union’s 47th Board of Directors meeting on Oct. 17, 2018, and began his four-year term on Jan. 1, 2019.
    As president, Captain DePete serves as ALPA’s chief executive and administrative officer. He oversees the Association’s daily operations and presides over meetings of ALPA’s governing bodies, which set policy for the organization. He is also the chief spokesman for the union, advancing airline pilots’ views before the U.S. Congress, Canadian Parliament, government agencies, airline and other business executives, and the news media.
    ALPA’s president is a member of the AFL-CIO Executive Council and is a member of the International Committee as well as the Legislative and Policy Committee. He serves on the Transportation Security Administration’s Aviation Security Advisory Committee and co-chairs its International Aviation Security Committee. He is a member of the Federal Aviation Administration’s Drone Advisory Committee. He also led an aviation industry initiative to begin collaboration with the commercial space industry on operational integration and safety enhancements.
    Prior to his current role, Captain DePete served as ALPA first vice president and national safety coordinator, overseeing the Association’s Air Safety Organization, which manages the union’s Safety, Security, Pilot Assistance, and Jumpseat programs, and as treasurer for the Association’s political action committee, ALPA-PAC.
    Captain DePete’s long history of service to the Association also includes time as ALPA executive vice president, FedEx Express Master Executive Council chairman, and Local Executive Council chairman. He was an active member of the ALPA Organizing Committee for the merger with the Flying Tiger Line Pilots Association as well as for the merger with the FedEx Pilots Association. Captain DePete was the sole representative for U.S. airline labor at the 1995 Asian Pacific Economic Council Transportation Ministerial Meeting held at the U.S. State Department.
    Additionally, Captain DePete organized the first Pilots for Kids charity drive for the FedEx Express pilots and participated in the development of the first FedEx Pilot Habitat for Humanity project for the Anchorage, Alaska, council.
    Based in Memphis, Tenn., Captain DePete flew and served as a line check airman on the A310/300 for FedEx Express. A graduate of St. John’s University, he earned a BA in political science and served as a captain in the U.S. Marine Corps, where he flew the KC-130 for Squadron VMGR-252, stationed at Cherry Point, N.C. He is also a certified investment portfolio manager, having passed the Series 65 (NASAA) Uniform Investment Adviser Law Exam. He resides in Louisville, Ky.

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