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    Flying tigers yes I believe those pilots got screwed as well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kfour View Post
    You really are a bit of a ****, ain't ya
    I will have your answer in 118 days.
    But anytime you want, we can discuss Envoy contributions to ALPA -PAC.

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    The health care cost reduction provision would have triggered a "me too" in the mechanics contract, and probably every other contract too. I can see where AAG would have had some heartburn over that.

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    Then envoy can give us a bonus check of equal amount for our use as we see fit. No more problem

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    The social media blitz that’s to follow will destroy the airline. 3) Group can exercise their get out of jail card and end the flow. Between mainline lawsuits against MX and the impending ALPA lawsuit - well, you finish the sentence.
    Play here with lord of the ocean slot anytime

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    Does not take much to file suit, alpa dragging its feet again.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ERJSRUS View Post
    The health care cost reduction provision would have triggered a "me too" in the mechanics contract, and probably every other contract too. I can see where AAG would have had some heartburn over that.
    It is not the responsibility of this pilot group to subsidize other labor groups by limiting themselves because management was stupid enough to negotiate a “me too” clause in their contract. It’s long overdue for this “Association” leadership to turn their backs on any further assistance to management in solving their self-inflicted conundrums.

    Let them sink or swim on their own.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ardvark View Post
    Does not take much to file suit, alpa dragging its feet again.

    ALPA is a business and expending large sums of money defending regional airline pilots isn’t in their game plan.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Beagleboy View Post
    ALPA is a business and expending large sums of money defending regional airline pilots isn’t in their game plan.
    ALPA is a Business of Hope where money is collected thru your dues.

    Quit ALPA and in 90 days Envoy WILL terminate you. “Working Together”

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    I encourage all here to watch the Frontline piece called The Battle for Eastern Airlines on YouTube. Aside from the obvious destination when management and labor end up in intractable warfare, a couple of additional noteworthy observations. First, in one clip you’ll notice a certain present political figure standing behind Lorenzo who participated in the breakup of the carrier for personal gain and second, Borman uses a phrase we have heard since from Parker;

    “The world has changed”.

    It’s a rationalization used by a common mindset who has no ethical concern for labor with a predictable destination.
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    Quote Originally Posted by NoOtPilot View Post
    I will have your answer in 118 days.
    But anytime you want, we can discuss Envoy contributions to ALPA -PAC.
    Quote Originally Posted by kfour
    You really are a bit of a ****, ain't ya

    Originally Posted by NoOtPilot
    I will have your answer in 118 days...


    And it took less than 118 days.
    As I said, at the beginning of this thread and now,
    it is obvious management did it again.


    • Envoy Management, Union Busters!
    “...they are engaged in an effort to turn the pilots against their representatives in a desperate attempt at union busting.”

    Frank Lorenzo Part II

    • Nothing new here, they are still working together...just setting up the stage, so at the end, when they agree to the pay raises with concessions...both, MEC and Envoy Management will look good. Just out of the playbook. Give it another 120 days, when the MEC Chairman flows. Now that MEC showed what they are willing to accept. Time to reshuffle and play again.

    ENY MEC & Envoy Management,
    Working & Staying in Unity

    Get ready for 2021...the PP and the 1011 will flow, hope you are in one of these two groups.
    Last edited by NoOtPilot; 08-01-2019 at 06:48 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NoOtPilot View Post


    • Envoy Management, Union Busters!
    “...they are engaged in an effort to turn the pilots against their representatives in a desperate attempt at union busting.”

    .

    Almost the exact same quote made by Team Tony when we all rose up to reject their representation of management over the pilots.
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    This “union” was busted long ago. It truly is now just an “Association”. That in itself is a major rationalization for those who simply presently and temporarily preside over decisions to continue the cycle believing that it’s just a blip in their careers. A half dozen or so pilots in that group, but if not for almost 2,000 meek, apathetic lambs also looking away, it wouldn’t be successful.

    Long, consistent history here which again, makes the future very predictable. Look what just happened.........convince me I’m wrong. The flow through has just been the component that solidified the hopeless impotence of this pilot group as it will always be the perceived pot of gold for too many who are willing to sacrifice all else in the hope it appears at the end of the false rainbow for them too.

    If you always do what you’ve always done, you’ll always get what you’ve always gotten..........and so it shall be.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NoOtPilot View Post
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    Get ready for 2021...the PP and the 1011 will flow, hope you are in one of these two groups.
    You usually post some good info....you were always tooting that you better be in the PP group or you are doomed, now you are including the 1011 group. What group will you add next time?

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    Quote Originally Posted by wiz5422 View Post
    You usually post some good info....you were always tooting that you better be in the PP group or you are doomed, now you are including the 1011 group. What group will you add next time?
    I don’t add groups, but your union did. MEC took care of the 1011 group, so they could advertise improvements on flow. Now PP and 1011 should be all out by the end of 2020. ALPA didn’t do anything for the next group. Anybody outside the 1011 group, I would seriously wonder why?

    “...the company included it's intent to continue discussions...”

    The door is open, and concessions will arrive when the time is right. They are still working together & In Unity.

    Ain’t over yet. And that’s guaranteed!

    Just out the Playbook. Tic,Toc...
    Last edited by NoOtPilot; 08-01-2019 at 03:49 PM.

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