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    Stand by for BIG news very soon about the latest 175 deliveries. Can't let the cat out of the bag but I can tell you that I watched reruns of Miami Vice last night while playing some Beach Boys Kokomo in the background.

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    Yes we know they are coming EOW equipped. Now all we need to know is why.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ardvark View Post
    Yes we know they are coming EOW equipped. Now all we need to know is why.
    I can't really say other than my hint. But I can tell you it is incredible news. All good stuff.

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    Ok. Like our mec mums the word, so is eny mgt about anything other than beating the pilot group.
    We are still waiting to find out what those new antennas are on the some aircraft.
    This place is informed like a mushroom.

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    You envoy guys don't want more planes. It's an excuse to stop or slow the flow.

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    Obviously MIA Caribbean flying. But, this is going to eat more off of AA's plate (the plan all along) and if you're flowing to AA, it's bad news in the long run. Not a bad deal for future CFI's who aren't even Envoy pilots yet though. The good news (if you could call it that), is it gives those considering the flow more idea of what lies ahead in the future and what is that ? Why, further erosion of AA Group II and associated advancement and job security. AA Group I does some Caribbean as well and those 19 birds are on the way out. But, since AA will be hamstrung due to scope, the long-term for the Eagle system means investing in new small RJ's or withering on the vine. The third option you don't want to know about as it's a disaster for those flowing.

    If only Crockett and Tubbs could screech up in that snappy Tuxedo Black Daytona 365 and change the dynamics of AA, eh ?

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    First, love that car.
    Second, while I agree with the core statement, it is irrelevant if envoy flies eow aircraft because rah already does. So if envoy does not they will just increase the aircraft requirement into rah, same result.
    The problem in your statement is not who does the eow flights its it should not be done period.
    Either way flow may be affected and definitely group 1 at aa will suffer either way.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ardvark View Post
    First, love that car.
    Second, while I agree with the core statement, it is irrelevant if envoy flies eow aircraft because rah already does. So if envoy does not they will just increase the aircraft requirement into rah, same result.
    The problem in your statement is not who does the eow flights its it should not be done period.
    Either way flow may be affected and definitely group 1 at aa will suffer either way.
    I understand the misunderstanding. But, that's why I said eating more off AA's plate and also that it is "the plan all along", i.e., for the Eagle system to absorb an increasing amount of AA flying both Domestic and Certain International, not just Envoy. Again, good for some Envoy pilots like the future kids, some of whom don't even have a Commercial pilots license yet and those senior who may want to go to MIA for that flying. For those who want to flow, just more evidence of where the future lies, likely one way or the other. Those at Envoy who cheer for this now, will howl like alley cats in the future when they see it from the opposite angle. You are correct in that it doesn't matter who replaces AA, especially if you're junior there or soon will be with decades to go.

    If you're "that" pilot, you lose.

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    I’ll believe MIA when it happens. The latest rumor for initial over water runs is DCA-XKF. Like I said, “rumor”.
    Regardless of where they send them the older hulls will not be retro fitted leaving open the possibility of a potential scenario not unlike the Airbus to Hawaii cluster f#%k that happened with Mainline.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sirsnacksalot View Post
    I’ll believe MIA when it happens. The latest rumor for initial over water runs is DCA-XKF. Like I said, “rumor”.
    Regardless of where they send them the older hulls will not be retro fitted leaving open the possibility of a potential scenario not unlike the Airbus to Hawaii cluster f#%k that happened with Mainline.
    Could very well be. Admittedly I’m not wired into the innards of Envoy so all I’m going on is the assumption the forum town crier is correct on this potential development, despite being a known liar. Even if not, it IS the plan of the future. AAG has little choice but to bust scope one way or the other. It’s in their nature and it’s a necessary part of their competitive survival. HOW and to an equal degree of WHEN that occurs are the wildcards. When that happens, the biggest losers will be those junior at AA and that means most of the recent and future flows.

    It will be interesting Karma considering how willingly they threw the senior Envoy lifers under the bus all for a greasier flow to AA and nothing for them or looked the other way while it happened. Again, if any type of flow back to Envoy is inked, it must not include previous Envoy seniority. That would be slam dunk DFR for those who passed on the flow. To do so would be a clear case of “self dealing”, a major no-no. Even if flows do have flow back rights to Envoy under some mechanism, while back at Envoy they gain no longevity for pay or pension while not on AA property so even that “win” is really still a loss and of course, they wouldn’t be gaining anything in bidding seniority for obvious reasons.

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    No f'n flow back to envoy. The flows fu ck ed envoy contract now they can go to the street if they have to. Simple as that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dacuj View Post
    Stand by for BIG news very soon about the latest 175 deliveries. Can't let the cat out of the bag but I can tell you that I watched reruns of Miami Vice last night while playing some Beach Boys Kokomo in the background.
    Nothing new here, Republic’s contract coming to an end soon(just Facts). So guess who is going to do that over water flying.

    Like I said, nothing new here.

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    Rah's original deal was 12 years per aircraft from data each aircraft started service. More like 4 years at least for each aircraft one at a time to come off contract, if the contract is not extended, which I believe aag will extend the rear with rah.

    Compass was supposed to be 4 years, guess not.

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    Did dacuj also allude that envoy was getting Boston, philly, and la back by sometime last year?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jdflyer View Post
    Did dacuj also allude that envoy was getting Boston, philly, and la back by sometime last year?
    Well, he IS an admitted liar, so one must accept what he says at any time with skepticism. But, the goal is to turn Envoy into an all E175 operator eventually, so any theme there does have some validity. Unless they move 2/3 of all E-175’s to Envoy which would require a lot of money to purchase new birds or some type of consolidation with another carrier that presently flies them, Envoy must then shrink due to scope limits. That is again, unless they start buying large numbers of small RJ’s to replace the clapped out fleet of E-145’s. What AAG truly would like is scope relaxation to allow at the very least E-175 E2’s and preferably some larger E-jets as well.

    The only way I see that is by force and even then , it’s not a guarantee.

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    Well, as far as LAX goes, an AA captain said he had one of our guys coming out of there a month or so ago who had just interviewed for a Chief Pilot position...for our 175 base

    Makes sense as they definitely want those aircraft in that market.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Windcheck View Post
    Well, as far as LAX goes, an AA captain said he had one of our guys coming out of there a month or so ago who had just interviewed for a Chief Pilot position...for our 175 base

    Makes sense as they definitely want those aircraft in that market.
    If it was an older guy based in DFW I know who you’re talking about. He’s been telling people he’s going to be the CP of LAX for months. He’s full of excrement.

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    I have no idea, heard it from the AA captain...however he did say it was a fairly young guy. Guess we’ll see. Assuming compass planes come back it makes sense to keep them in that market

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    Quote Originally Posted by ardvark View Post
    Rah's original deal was 12 years per aircraft from data each aircraft started service. More like 4 years at least for each aircraft one at a time to come off contract, if the contract is not extended, which I believe aag will extend the rear with rah.

    Compass was supposed to be 4 years, guess not.
    Compass was 6-8 depending on delivery dates IIRC
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