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    Hearing an FO was mugged at the hotel in BJX yesterday, any info?

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    What the hell could any mugger expect to get from an Eagle FO?

    "Here's my hotel pen, snack mix, an AA first class spoon and dime I found on the ramp doing my postflight...please don't kill me!"

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    Hope this is not like the kidnaping story.

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    Another reason to increase flying to mex. Crew security is a joke, and so is managements lap dog alpa.

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    Always the crews fault...... We got it

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    "Self Induced" Oh Boy!

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    Is the only safe place down there in your room with the door bolted and the curtains pulled? I've only done one MX overnight, and a week later on the same overnight the crew got ran off the road and pulled out at gunpoint. By the "good guys," wasn't it?

    Eagle doesn't pay enough to risk your personal safety in a place like that. It makes Lawton look downright civilized.

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    I suggest the FO get a lawyer and sue amr for millions. The company has a duty to ensure safe secure overnights and they are failing miserablly. Mike, I know you work hard for us, but your reason that he did it himself is pure bs. I've been to that hotel, it is surrounded by a ghetto(which mex is) and to say you can't go outside within the footprint of the hotel is crap. If that is the criteria for company hotels, then the only way to get it changed is for this person to sue. Sad, but it seems only bad press will make eagle fix this.

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    All of these reports need to be made public to every single pilot. These issues won't be fixed until pilots begin refusing Mexico trips or until AMR is slapped with a negligence lawsuit .

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    fly first leg back then fatigue due the inability of getting sleep due to fear of life in the hotel. being that the company says dont go out then they have agreed with you that it is unsafe.

    they only correct things when it costs them money and the union to take a stand for the pilots or give our dues money back.

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    Everyone knows that Mexico is dangerous to foreigners, and even locals, that's why half the people on this board say they'd refuse a Mex trip.

    Everyone knows the "rules" on ANY overnight: keep an eye out, don't go out alone, especially in bad areas that are poorly lit. We've had problems in DFW, RDU, and probably other places too. Flight crew are targets.

    Mexico is all of these problems plus the fact that it's Mexico, they've got some serious issues right now.

    If the crewmember didn't follow these rules then they are at least partially responsible for what happened. You don't have to be a prisoner in the hotel, just be smart. Yeah, we shouldn't be overnighting there. But we are. Be careful, be smart.

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    Where is our ALPA MEC Security Chairman?

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    Snacking??

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hotel Guy View Post
    You guys obviously don't know me, I am a line pilot and I do not drink the cool aide. In fact, most crews know me as one who tells it like it is. There are areas in any town that you can go to, then act and look like a victim and you will become one. When something is wrong in MX or anywhere else, I am a thorn under the proverbial saddle. Sometimes, management really hates to hear from me. In this case however, the mugging had nothing to do with being in Mexico (no cartels, no drug runners) although we will still probably go down to do an inspection of the area, and to compare different hotels.

    I feel for the guy. Thankfully he wasn't hurt. Please be safe and try not to be at the wrong place at the wrong time. It doesn't happen automatically.
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    Mike, I appreciate your work and information. I think comment "self-induced" implies the FO was 100% at fault and the muggers weren't to blame. I'm certain that isn't what you meant, but that is how it came across.

    Yes, we need to be proactive on overnights. There are a few places Stateside where wandering alone in the dark is asking for trouble. About 10 years ago a pilot was mugged across the street from the Knight's Inn during long term training. I know of a Southwest Captain who was mugged walking back, alone, from dinner in Corpus Christi, TX. He said the last thing he remembered was "a bunch of guys" approaching him on the street. The next thing he knew he was in the hospital. I didn't ask if the flight left on time the next day.

    I had a flight attendant groped by a man while jogging on an LFT overnight several years ago. It was broad daylight, but this guy decided to grab him a piece. It upset her so much we ended up ferrying the plane back without her.

    Many of our overnights are in urban areas, Mexico or US, it is important that we recognize we're in a new area and that hazards exist.

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    Thanks Mike. Its a shame that tony's lil fiefdom over there is more concerned about working for management, than standing up to them for our contractual rights. If we can't get rid of these morons, we need to decertify alpa.

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