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    Hypothetically speaking! In the event of an Envoy/Piedmont Merger.
    How “time to flow” would increased or decrease for our junior Captains, First Officers and New Hires with the integration of 775 of our brothers & sisters of PDT ALPA? How a seniority integration of the pilots groups be established according to the Merger Policy of ALPA?
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    Quote Originally Posted by NoOtPilot View Post
    Hypothetically speaking! In the event of an Envoy/Piedmont Merger.
    How “time to flow” would increased or decrease for our junior Captains, First Officers and New Hires with the integration of 775 of our brothers & sisters of PDT ALPA? How a seniority integration of the pilots groups be established according to the Merger Policy of ALPA?
    You answered your own question. That's exactly how it would go. Look at the Pinnacle,Mesaba,Colgan SLI and you've got your answer.... or even the APA SLI that just happened. The days of a staple are long gone.
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    A new hire at Envoy will upgrade in under 2 years or immediately as their required time permits and then flow to AA just a few years later.

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    Take that info and stick back where it came out of, your azz. Thank you dadouce.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dacuj View Post
    A new hire at Envoy will upgrade in under 2 years or immediately as their required time permits and then flow to AA just a few years later.
    Welcome Back Sunshine! We missed you.
    Would you like to define “a few years later” with an additional 700+ pilots in front of the new hires? If date of hire is the integration way, hypothetically speaking of course.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NoOtPilot View Post
    Welcome Back Sunshine! We missed you.
    Would you like to define “a few years later” with an additional 700+ pilots in front of the new hires? If date of hire is the integration way, hypothetically speaking of course.
    It might be better to start with your IQ. Do you even break 100? Doubtful. You're pretty stupid you know. Constantly posting a bunch of useless drivel posed as "questions" that only "you" have the answer to. Well, hate to break it to you Dumbo, nobody buys your useless info.

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    All and any integration of seniority list between alpa carriers will be by alpa merger policy unless the maksill boyd (name spl) ammendmant applies.
    Basically if it screws everyone except the number 1 pilot then it worked as designed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dacuj View Post
    A new hire at Envoy will upgrade in under 2 years or immediately as their required time permits and then flow to AA just a few years later.
    Upgrade almost immediately and then flow a few years later.....


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    Quote Originally Posted by Dacuj View Post
    It might be better to start with your IQ. Do you even break 100? Doubtful. You're pretty stupid you know. Constantly posting a bunch of useless drivel posed as "questions" that only "you" have the answer to. Well, hate to break it to you Dumbo, nobody buys your useless info.
    Actually I don’t have the answer to this question...
    So, a New Hire will flow in 10,11 or 12 years after a merge with Piedmont?
    Hypothetically Speaking"!

    “To establish your answer(result) proof of formula is required.”

    Variables not required for now.

    IMHO: Mathematically Speaking IMPOSIBLE!
    Unless you can prove it...is just a theory.

    Hiring is getting really tough, and a lot of planes are still on the way and no other regional to bail AAG out this time.
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    actually a merger between pdt and envoy, the flow would not change much for envoy or pdt.
    currently 2400 pilots envoy, after PPG leaves this fall, and average flow of 20 per month will give you roughly 10 years to flow if hired today at envoy. I believe pdt has 700 pilots, and there flow if 5 per month, that equal to 11.5 years to flow if hired today. Now on a merger you may be able to increase the flow to minimum 25, that's 3200 pilots flowing 25 per month equals to 10.5 years to flow if merged today and hired today. plus .5 year for envoy and 1 less year for pdt. but you get a bigger piece of the pie for qol, schedules.
    but all this is hypothetical, dougie and dicky wont do it because it saves money and makes sense, logic.
    Sir, can I have another.

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    Had a n Envoy Captain on my Jumpseat today. I asked him if he was part of the protected pilot group and he had no idea what that was. I asked him if he had an idea of when he might flow he said 6-7 years and that he was hired 3 years ago.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jdflyer View Post
    Had a n Envoy Captain on my Jumpseat today. I asked him if he was part of the protected pilot group and he had no idea what that was. I asked him if he had an idea of when he might flow he said 6-7 years and that he was hired 3 years ago.
    You make me sad. So sad. I try to educate all my guys about seniority, blah blah blah. They just don’t get it. They’ve got flow! ☹️

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    These type of pilots will do what ever the company wants, watch out.

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    Wonder if there is any on ENY MEC?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jdflyer View Post
    Had a n Envoy Captain on my Jumpseat today. I asked him if he was part of the protected pilot group and he had no idea what that was. I asked him if he had an idea of when he might flow he said 6-7 years and that he was hired 3 years ago.
    Union flow list predicts a 4/2016 hire to flow 3/2021. Actually almost the shortest flow of the whole damn group. Lucky guy, if it works

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    Quote Originally Posted by flyinsol0 View Post
    Union flow list predicts a 4/2016 hire to flow 3/2021. Actually almost the shortest flow of the whole damn group. Lucky guy, if it works
    IMO, “lucky” is getting on with Delta. Being at or near the bottom of AA’s pilot seniority list in 2021 would better characterized as “risky”, “perilous”, unfortunate” or “disastrous” depending on the scenario.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Beagleboy View Post
    IMO, “lucky” is getting on with Delta. Being at or near the bottom of AA’s pilot seniority list in 2021 would better characterized as “risky”, “perilous”, unfortunate” or “disastrous” depending on the scenario.
    Yes, you’ve made that pretty clear. All 7 people that still use this website know.

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    Yup! Everybody else left, got tired of waiting for the flow!

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    Quote Originally Posted by flyinsol0 View Post
    Union flow list predicts a 4/2016 hire to flow 3/2021. Actually almost the shortest flow of the whole damn group. Lucky guy, if it works
    Actually, beginning 2021 and thereafter are BAD years for the flow, and I can prove it. Can you prove that Envoy has the “shortest flow of the whole damm group”?

    That’s what I thought!!!!!! Not even the formula in (RW)’s computer can prove that, the variables have changed.
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    Quote Originally Posted by NoOtPilot View Post
    Actually, beginning 2021 and thereafter are BAD years for the flow, and I can prove it. Can you prove that Envoy has the “shortest flow of the whole damm group”?

    That’s what I thought!!!!!! Not even the formula in (RW)’s computer can prove that, the variables have changed.
    “Union flow list predicts a 4/2016 hire to flow 3/2021. Actually almost the shortest flow of the whole damn group. Lucky guy, if it works”

    I was saying that hire date has the shortest projected flow of the envoy pilots, which is according to ALPA, not tricky rick.


    “Actually, beginning 2021 and thereafter are BAD years for the flow, and I can prove it.”

    I’d like to see this proof you have, but we all know you aren’t going to post anything.

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