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    Is this going to affect the flow in the next few months?


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    American Airlines is extending cancellations for the Boeing 737 Max aircraft through August 19, a key summer travel period, as the jets remain grounded.
    “I always tell the truth. Even when I lie.”

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    Quote Originally Posted by NoOtPilot View Post
    American Airlines is extending cancellations for the Boeing 737 Max aircraft through August 19, a key summer travel period, as the jets remain grounded.
    My bet is no.

    What MAY affect AA hiring this Summer and thus the flow is higher then normal training logjams and lack of check airman. Staffing is reportedly at critical levels in many statutes and it’s only April. Summer could be insane just trying to cover the schedule. The present staffing woes are already with the Max grounded thus the daily diet of 115 flight cancellations doesn’t seem to be providing much relief.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Beagleboy View Post
    My bet is no.

    What MAY affect AA hiring this Summer and thus the flow is higher then normal training logjams and lack of check airman. Staffing is reportedly at critical levels in many statutes and it’s only April. Summer could be insane just trying to cover the schedule. The present staffing woes are already with the Max grounded thus the daily diet of 115 flight cancellations doesn’t seem to be providing much relief.
    The Summer flow classes are always smaller than the balance of the year. This is due to the exact reasons you mentioned, except this summer will be no different than last.

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    Good! That means all Protected Pilots still on schedule to go by October 2019.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NoOtPilot View Post
    Good! That means all Protected Pilots still on schedule to go by October 2019.
    No they won't. Between the MD80s parking and the Max being grounded, the PPs are about to get hosed. But you already knew that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sloosky View Post
    No they won't. Between the MD80s parking and the Max being grounded, the PPs are about to get hosed. But you already knew that.
    You forgot the E190’s

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    Quote Originally Posted by Meatloaf View Post
    The Summer flow classes are always smaller than the balance of the year. This is due to the exact reasons you mentioned, except this summer will be no different than last.
    Yes, I’m aware of training variations and actually December has traditionally been among the slowest months. As for this Summer, no one can predict that with certainty, yourself included. That being said, despite the fact they are trying to get people through training early, staffing is likely to be far worse then now which is already critical based on reserve usage and premium and OG usage. Summer vacations will be full and sick calls likely way up due to scheduling abuse. Word is fatigue calls have spiked as well.

    Obviously, you are far more optimistic then me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Beagleboy View Post
    Yes, I’m aware of training variations and actually December has traditionally been among the slowest months. As for this Summer, no one can predict that with certainty, yourself included. That being said, despite the fact they are trying to get people through training early, staffing is likely to be far worse then now which is already critical based on reserve usage and premium and OG usage. Summer vacations will be full and sick calls likely way up due to scheduling abuse. Word is fatigue calls have spiked as well.

    Obviously, you are far more optimistic then me.
    agreed on all points. Exception, I don't have to FTG info.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sloosky View Post
    No they won't. Between the MD80s parking and the Max being grounded, the PPs are about to get hosed. But you already knew that.
    Word from over there is that a large percentage of long time 80 drivers are needing a lot of extra time in the training cycle when transitioning to the Bus. The extra sim slots have to be found and numerous folks have literally been sent home for weeks. This has basically put them back at square one and requires yet more time.
    Just another layer to the onion...

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    None of this bull**** spouted on this very brief thread will affect the flow. Flow continues unimpeded and WILL continue unimpeded.

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    My pre response to the biggest blockhead who has ever walked the planet. I'll go ahead and respond for him and then my rebuttal is linked below.

    "Ummm, bad times ahead for AA and Envoy, ummm better have your life rafts to get away from the good ship AA, ummmm (Buzzwords) far worse, word is failure on the horizon, deficient, declining. I THINK YOU GET THE ******** PICTURE!

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    A conversation with ones self.
    Is there a doctor in the house.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ardvark View Post
    A conversation with ones self.
    Is there a doctor in the house.
    No doubt attempting to self-medicate with alcohol again...…..and failing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sirsnacksalot View Post
    Word from over there is that a large percentage of long time 80 drivers are needing a lot of extra time in the training cycle when transitioning to the Bus. The extra sim slots have to be found and numerous folks have literally been sent home for weeks. This has basically put them back at square one and requires yet more time.
    Just another layer to the onion...
    A large percentage of the handful who bid out of the 80? The vast majority of 80 pilots are waiting for displacement, which has yet to happen.

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    Also last flight for the 757 is December

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    Just like I said...2021 keeps getting closer.

    “THE FLOW WILL STOP”

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    But will there be a furlough at aa?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dacuj View Post
    None of this bull**** spouted on this very brief thread will affect the flow. Flow continues unimpeded and WILL continue unimpeded.
    Really? Because im a protected pilot and my flow projection has been pushed back a month and a half.....

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    AA Furlough from the top should take care of most scenarios. Cut the Head off the Snake, even more aimless drifting.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SlowHand View Post
    AA Furlough from the top should take care of most scenarios. Cut the Head off the Snake, even more aimless drifting.
    All should note that even in "most scenarios", why hire if you need to or are contracting at the rate of attrition ? I agree that an AA furlough is likely only under the most serious of situations and thus unlikely, but many scenarios result in AA contraction which means no flow for a period of time that could be months or possibly years depending. I also means during the same period, stagnation occurs and for those commuting until they get their home domicile on reserve and/or both, that's not so good. Slow upgrades too. At least AA's training costs drop as most of that action would occur in Group II and Group IV would likely be fairly stable.

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