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    According to AAG's 2018 filing, they expected a tough 1st quarter, but substantial improvement in the 2nd quarter and IIRC, a 95% increase in revenue for 2019. As stated before, there are many variables that cannot be foreseen that impact the future and the 737 Max situation is now one of them. AA is cancelling 90 flights/day which removes well over 15,000 seats from the market. Their market. That's at least through early June. Yes, some new E-175's at DFW will add an increasing number of seats, but even at its maximum well after June, that's only 1,500 seats or so. Not much help for the 2nd Quarter and not even beyond that if the Max situation drags on. That means without financial compensation from Boeing, AA and Eagle will have to kick some major *** in the revenue dept. in 3rd and 4th quarters to make up for it or, you guessed it...…...Parker's projections once again fall short. Perhaps WELL short. Again. Also again, BIG bills due this year and for the next several years, so they'll need that 95%. IMO, they will fall short even WITH compensation from Boeing.

    Caveat Emptor...….what's in your savings account ?
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    Perfect timing, nothing BANKRUPTCY can’t fix. Parker is a very luck guy. Boeing is making it easier for him.

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    Not in trouble at all. In fact I even doubled down on my AAG stock recently. If you buy into negative overhyped lies from an effing idiot who claimed Envoy would never be able to keep getting bodies in the door about 3 years ago BUT HAS BROKEN ALL RECORDS IN RECRUITING; then by all means. Buy into this crock and huge steaming pile; sell all AAG; hell sell everything. Buy you a bunker in Colorado and go underground. I fully expect that is where this idiot posts from.

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    If management doesn’t step in with PSA rates, that line won’t be very long.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dacuj View Post
    Not in trouble at all. In fact I even doubled down on my AAG stock recently. If you buy into negative overhyped lies from an effing idiot who claimed Envoy would never be able to keep getting bodies in the door about 3 years ago BUT HAS BROKEN ALL RECORDS IN RECRUITING; then by all means. Buy into this crock and huge steaming pile; sell all AAG; hell sell everything. Buy you a bunker in Colorado and go underground. I fully expect that is where this idiot posts from.
    19 months until 2021, and then the flow will begin to stop for all WO.

    Even Dacuj is going to feel the pain at AA.

    Tic,toc,....

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    Quote Originally Posted by NoOtPilot View Post
    19 months until 2021, and then the flow will begin to stop for all WO.

    Even Dacuj is going to feel the pain at AA.

    Tic,toc,....
    Like I would buy anything from a oily haired used car salesman like you. Oh, and dumb as a rock to boot!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sirsnacksalot View Post
    If management doesn’t step in with PSA rates, that line won’t be very long.
    Trust me, that line is LONG. Like I've said before, guys are flinging themselves at Envoy. They know a good deal unlike some of you. I've got a suggestion for you then. Leave. We don't want you and we sure don't need you with super qualified pipeline guys becoming the bulk of the seniority list.

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    4 years until another BK May have been too optimistic......
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cujo665 View Post
    4 years until another BK May have been too optimistic......
    Bwaahaaahaaa! Sent from the Assistant Head Cheerleader of the Hate Envoy Club. I'll give you a guess who the Head Cheerleader is.

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    As we can see, our resident Snake Oil peddler and Grifter extraordinaire Mongo is quite emotional today and is lashing out like a rabid dog in all directions and foaming at the jowls (not uncommon among gapped-tooth mouth breathers).

    The only reason that Envoy has been able to kick the can farther down the road in hiring is by throwing up to six figures at any mirror fogger from the street who shows up and/or convincing pie-eyed pilots from flight schools a flow will happen to utopia in X years. Never mind the AA product is in the dumpster behind all the major players and on par with the LCC's, never mind their debt is so high, one would need oxygen to climb to its peak, never mind the promises of profits by the CEO have fallen so short, they aren't even on the scale and never mind this is all occurring at arguably the high point of the economic cycle and a booming economy with ultra-low jobless numbers. What could go wrong ?

    Nothing to see here folks, let's move along...……..or better yet, up on the next corner by the jalopy with its trunk open is the guy who has what you want. That's it, line right up ladies and gentlemen, your future is assured !
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    Why is he still on this forum.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dacuj View Post
    Like I would buy anything from a oily haired used car salesman like you. Oh, and dumb as a rock to boot!
    Not to worry! The document will be on this forum
    In 2021. I made sure someone else has it as well, just in case.
    The document exists and is very much alive. Sorry, is well above your pay grade. Company doesn’t want you guys to have the Big Picture. Is going to be very painful to see the faces of all those that believed in the flow and now realized they are stuck here longer than expected.

    Just Facts

    “Things are not always as they seem; the first appearance deceives many.”
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dacuj View Post
    Bwaahaaahaaa! Sent from the Assistant Head Cheerleader of the Hate Envoy Club. I'll give you a guess who the Head Cheerleader is.
    Head! Who said head?
    We’ll take some of that,
    And we did, and it was good,
    And there was much rejoicing!

    And then we ....
    We .... for hours,
    Uprooting trees, shrubs, & flowers
    Like Vikings,
    With horns upon ours heads!

    Head! Who said head?

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    One thing we now know the resident cheerleader, he is not smart when it comes to the stock market.

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    1st Quarter projections now down to “flat” to 1%. Considering past fluff and spin, I’ll bet closer to flat. 2nd Quarter certain to be down as well. Economy cooling, both domestically and globally with lower GDP likely. Should oil spike significantly further (already mid $60’s/barrel) or the long overdue recession hit sooner........eek ! No chance of product quality improvement as most front-line labor at AA is in the cheap seats and worked like Envoy front-line employees. AAG is broke, so zero chance of contracts before the next downturn and then less than zero while in the downturn. For AAG, what to do.....what to do ? For affected front-line backpack bricks ?

    Hope for the best, but prepare for the worst. What’s in your savings account ?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dacuj View Post
    Bwaahaaahaaa! Sent from the Assistant Head Cheerleader of the Hate Envoy Club. I'll give you a guess who the Head Cheerleader is.
    See, your ignoarance is showing. I don't dislike Envoy. I dislike you. Research my posts, I typically recommend Envoy for new pilots. I just don't recommend they stay for flow. Get in, get a little experience and apply to better airlines. Take the flow as a back-up last resort.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cujo665 View Post
    See, your ignoarance is showing. I don't dislike Envoy. I dislike you. Research my posts, I typically recommend Envoy for new pilots. I just don't recommend they stay for flow. Get in, get a little experience and apply to better airlines. Take the flow as a back-up last resort.
    Why do you dislike me? Because I took your spot as head cheerleader for Envoy? Don't even try to say you weren't. I remember the 2.5/6 selling and how excited you were about it. I think you are just upset you aren't in my position truth be told. You've certainly slid downhill. Teaming up with your former nemesis, the biggest hater of Envoy anywhere. Its like you sold your soul to the devil. I am an unashamed cheerleader for this company and admit it. I really wish you were still on our side. We could do great things teamed up.

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    OH! Nobody want to be in your Position!
    BOHICA!

    Together?WE?things? teamed up? Wow!!🌈
    “We are family
    I got all my sisters with me.”🎼 🎶
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dacuj View Post
    Teaming up with your former nemesis, the biggest hater of Envoy anywhere. Its like you sold your soul to the devil. I am an unashamed cheerleader for this company and admit it. I really wish you were still on our side. We could do great things teamed up.
    "Biggest hater of Envoy anywhere" ?

    (giggle)

    I have no emotional feeling towards Envoy at all. I deal with facts, history, trends and reality. You on the other hand are a promoter of fantasy, spin, salesmanship and are fueled by emotion. You're also quite childish. As for what "side" you are on, that is MORE than obvious to all. That side is not now, nor ever has been that of the unionized line pilot, but instead a chameleon lapdog of management masquerading as a line pilot. You may have some value to management as a clown, but you are a disgrace to the Airline Pilot profession.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dacuj View Post
    Why do you dislike me? Because I took your spot as head cheerleader for Envoy? Don't even try to say you weren't. I remember the 2.5/6 selling and how excited you were about it. I think you are just upset you aren't in my position truth be told. You've certainly slid downhill. Teaming up with your former nemesis, the biggest hater of Envoy anywhere. Its like you sold your soul to the devil. I am an unashamed cheerleader for this company and admit it. I really wish you were still on our side. We could do great things teamed up.
    The difference is that when I said it, it was mathematically possible and probable. That is no longer the case, and hasn’t been for a long time.... yet you still sell it falsely.

    i still recommend Envoy. But now it’s for their stability, decent equipment, better than average maintenance, Major like infrastructure.... that they get in, get their hours, and apply everywhere else.
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