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    I heard a rumor that envoy is having a problem getting the overwater approval for its 175ís in MIA.

    Can anyone confirm this.

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    It heard they just about had everything then aag told them to forget it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Earl View Post
    I heard a rumor that envoy is having a problem getting the overwater approval for its 175’s in MIA.

    Can anyone confirm this.
    No problem getting it. They decided not to because the extra weight of the EOW equipment would put an end to the DFW to Canada flying. So for now, no 175 flying through MIA.

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    Well if I had to choose between Canada and through flying in Miami. I choose miami.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sloosky View Post
    No problem getting it. They decided not to because the extra weight of the EOW equipment would put an end to the DFW to Canada flying. So for now, no 175 flying through MIA.
    This is fact.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sloosky View Post
    No problem getting it. They decided not to because the extra weight of the EOW equipment would put an end to the DFW to Canada flying. So for now, no 175 flying through MIA.
    Where are they connecting to in DFW that they couldn’t connect them through NY, PHL, ORD? They still have to comepete price wise, so they’ve got to be losing money on such a long RJ flight for the connection.

    Its like when they stopped doing flights over to Europe from Boston. Instead they fly them to JFK to connect. Yet they still have to compete price wise with Lufthansa, Air France, British and rest going direct..... that means they’re flying them to NY from BOS for free to compete on the transatlantic flight....

    friggin idiots. I give Parker 4 more years before he bankrupts it.


    the really big rumor is United is going to expand BOS to include multiple transatlantic widebody routes ahead of JetBlue ever getting ETOPS. It would make them the biggest domestic doing transatlantic out of BOS. They’re even talking potential satellite pilot base there if the union lets them have it without current reserve requirements.
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    4 years, your optimistic. I give parker tul the latest 2021 but between now and then all of aag will slow simmer to a full burn.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cujo665 View Post
    the really big rumor is United is going to expand BOS to include multiple transatlantic widebody routes ahead of JetBlue ever getting ETOPS. It would make them the biggest domestic doing transatlantic out of BOS. They’re even talking potential satellite pilot base there if the union lets them have it without current reserve requirements.
    Havenít heard the BOS rumor, but I do know they recently added North Atlantic Track training to our recurrent course on the guppy.

    BTW Cujo... not sure if you remember but I ran in to you with the family at MCO coming back from Disneyworld last September. Happy to say the recruiting event went well, was hired, and life has been good! Hope all is going well with you!

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    Quote Originally Posted by V1 ROT8 View Post
    Haven’t heard the BOS rumor, but I do know they recently added North Atlantic Track training to our recurrent course on the guppy.

    BTW Cujo... not sure if you remember but I ran in to you with the family at MCO coming back from Disneyworld last September. Happy to say the recruiting event went well, was hired, and life has been good! Hope all is going well with you!
    Yes, I do. It was good seeing you again and meeting the family. Very glad it worked out well for you. It has for me also.

    which NAT diversion are they teaching? You’d be surprised how many operators still haven’t realized the off track stuff went from 45 degrees and 15 miles to 30 degrees and 5 miles. The change took effect March 28th. NOPAC and random routes (flex routes) in the pacific are unchanged. Always remember.... the south will rise again.... LOL

    they putting CPDLC in the narrow bodies?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cujo665 View Post
    which NAT diversion are they teaching? Youíd be surprised how many operators still havenít realized the off track stuff went from 45 degrees and 15 miles to 30 degrees and 5 miles. The change took effect March 28th. NOPAC and random routes (flex routes) in the pacific are unchanged. Always remember.... the south will rise again.... LOL

    they putting CPDLC in the narrow bodies?
    Haha love that memory aid! They have issued multiple bulletins and revisions with the revised diversionary procedures. A good chunk of the fleet now has CPDLC but only a portion of those are enroute capable. Eventually the majority will have it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cujo665 View Post
    Yes, I do. It was good seeing you again and meeting the family. Very glad it worked out well for you. It has for me also.

    which NAT diversion are they teaching? You’d be surprised how many operators still haven’t realized the off track stuff went from 45 degrees and 15 miles to 30 degrees and 5 miles. The change took effect March 28th. NOPAC and random routes (flex routes) in the pacific are unchanged. Always remember.... the south will rise again.... LOL

    they putting CPDLC in the narrow bodies?
    Eventually combining Domestic and International divisions on the narrow bodies, so all pilots will get “International” training at some point. “International school” is (or at least was) a two-day ground school where all pilots got the same course be they widebody or narrow body pilots and thus it included training on flying the Atlantic tracks & Polar procedures (Airbus, 737 and E-190 pilots doze off at this point), Deep South, Caribbean, Central America etc. Sounds like they are incorporating that into recurrent in anticipation of all narrow body statuses eventually mixing a’la US Airways.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Beagleboy View Post
    Eventually combining Domestic and International divisions on the narrow bodies, so all pilots will get “International” training at some point. “International school” is (or at least was) a two-day ground school where all pilots got the same course be they widebody or narrow body pilots and thus it included training on flying the Atlantic tracks & Polar procedures (Airbus, 737 and E-190 pilots doze off at this point), Deep South, Caribbean, Central America etc. Sounds like they are incorporating that into recurrent in anticipation of all narrow body statuses eventually mixing a’la US Airways.
    Itís now 1-4 days depending upon which theater you will be operating in.
    Day 1 S. America and Caribbean.
    Day 2 Hawaiin Ops, ETOPS
    Day 3 North Atlanta
    Day 4 is polar and asia

    How many days you go depends on your equipment. 190/737 go for Day 1. 320 through day2. 767 3 full days plus sim. 777/787 all 4 days plus 2 sims

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jdflyer View Post
    It’s now 1-4 days depending upon which theater you will be operating in.
    Day 1 S. America and Caribbean.
    Day 2 Hawaiin Ops, ETOPS
    Day 3 North Atlanta
    Day 4 is polar and asia

    How many days you go depends on your equipment. 190/737 go for Day 1. 320 through day2. 767 3 full days plus sim. 777/787 all 4 days plus 2 sims
    Sounds like they are doing something right for a change. From what I've heard, the only thing holding back all narrow body pilots from dual quals are the scheduling hassles of flying with a check airman. Considering they build so much domestic flying into the International narrow body schedules, it's still not on the front burner. Slow crawl....

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    For you overwater folks, Ops Group. Great site with tons of info on all the oddball stuff. The nice thing is you’ll get email alerts on procedure changes. I had the ICAO NAT bulletin sent to me the day it was issued. great resource.

    https://ops.group/blog/tag/icao/
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