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    As an AMR now AAG employee this does make me sad and I hope we are able to improve this. I know I try everyday to make it a bit better, However, we placed just ahead of the ULCC’s

    Check out this gallery from USA TODAY:

    The best and worst airlines in the U.S.

    https://www.usatoday.com/picture-gal...es/3201484002/

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    not true, its rigged. no way American is 6th and not dead last.
    Sir, can I have another.

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    AA is consistent in its mediocrity compared to Delta, United and Southwest. It compares more accurately to the more marginal products of Spirit and Allegiant. This cannot be denied based on the industry evaluational history of AA since the merger and management change. The major competitive difference AA has from ALL other carriers though is its present debt, which is staggering and its expenses going forward requiring substantially better profits then has been realized so far. Additionally, AA’s labor relations remain at the bottom of the industry and are extremely unlikely to change for the positive. This bodes poorly for any product improvement for AA. Management apparently doesn’t care. They are stuffing their pockets for now and that IS what they care about IMO.

    It would be prudent to expect no changes going forward. I think all tethered to AA or who soon will be need to let go of any illusions of AA ever regaining any respectable place in the industry. The old dog-eared playbook of the past is still the course and kicking the can on mounting problems the solution to any issues of concern. IMO, if you aren’t in management stuffing your pockets, you are the one who SHOULD care. At some point, you will have no choice but to care. Everything happening now happened in the past at America West, US Airways and legacy AA. All led to the same “rinse and repeat” destination where the employees paid the worst price. IMO, next time it won’t be so simple to rinse and repeat and an entirely different paradigm will be necessary. This IMO will be disasterous for those junior and younger at AA and those who planned on the flow be it primary goal or back-up.

    Caveat Emptor.
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    This is D.Parker’s plan, nothing new here. What do you think he meant when he said...
    “The New American”

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    US AIR as usual.

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    An increasing number of Corporations are signaling their serious concern about a "bleak Macroeconomic" outlook and a contracting Global economy. The vibe is 1Q growth and profit will be a significant downturn from the past. Not that surprising as Global growth is cyclical and we are way overdue for a downturn. On the AA side, soft revenue and the grounding of 737's for the Max issue and sloppy outsourced work on overhead bins is likely to put AA especially on a downward trend for 1Q2019. Look for 2019 profit sharing to become miniscule or possibly non-existent. Those at Delta, United and Southwest should do alright though. Considering pension and debt servicing expenses, AA profit for 2019 could be quite dismal. If so, at that point the industry will no longer be able to turn a blind-eye and embrace Pollyanna optimism on AA and must confront reality. I suggest to all to keep your expectations VERY modest going forward.

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    Interesting, Frank Lorenzo put Eastern Airlines
    In the same spot(rank), before went BK.🤔🤔

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    True, airline management only has one manual. Minor adjustments in the manual but basically the same. Divide and conquer, disinformation is good for management, put new paint on corroded material and cut funding for basic items needed to perform functions properly.
    The new us air, aag.

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    Congrats to Delta’s 1st Quarter performance. They clearly have pulled away from the pack and are firing on all cylinders. They prove what can be accomplished with sound management and inspired employees. It also demonstrates the invalid myth that industry leading compensation and treatment of front-line employees is a drag on the bottom line. In fact, one airline proves that abandonment of that idea actually DOES result in poor product quality and marginal financial results.

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    You guys actually give credence to some third rate paper and their "Polls?" How about a REAL poll. JD Power 2018 ranked AA 7th. Ahead of United which is much ballyhooed here be the resident hater and troll. Anybody can commission a poll and come up with the "results" they want.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dacuj View Post
    You guys actually give credence to some third rate paper and their "Polls?" How about a REAL poll. JD Power 2018 ranked AA 7th. Ahead of United which is much ballyhooed here be the resident hater and troll. Anybody can commission a poll and come up with the "results" they want.
    Fake news if it doesn’t support your narrative and agenda, eh ? But, you do realize you just admitted that in a supposedly valid poll AA ranked 7th, no ? That’s pretty bad by anybody’s standard. But hey, SOMEONE has to be 7th and what’s important is that those who plan to flow to AA ARE flowing to a carrier running toward the back of the pack. In your demented world, I suppose AA being #1 in debt load (and by a WIDE margin) is good, yes ?
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    If you ain’t first your last

    Largest airline but lowest pay and qol by the legacies.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dacuj View Post
    You guys actually give credence to some third rate paper and their "Polls?" How about a REAL poll. JD Power 2018 ranked AA 7th. Ahead of United which is much ballyhooed here be the resident hater and troll. Anybody can commission a poll and come up with the "results" they want.
    But still several spots behind Delta.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pinkvisual View Post
    If you ain’t first your last

    Largest airline but lowest pay and qol by the legacies.
    Well, that metric is actually GOOD to management, the shareholders and BOD as it maximizes profits and is usually associated with shareholder value. However, in the case of AA it has been the opposite and that’s what is disturbing. Again looking at history, this tired old philosophy of seeing your employees as “bricks in your backpack” hasn’t really ever paid off for AMR and it isn’t for AAG. The reality is the AA product is considered marginal and the idea of referring to your bricks as “team members” won’t change that.

    AA will not only need to overhaul its finances and balance sheet going forward, but its product as well. Another engineered strategic bankruptcy filing at the opportune moment will help (but not solve) the finance issue, but will not only NOT help the product quality issue, it will mangle what’s left of it. IMO, the old adages of “There’s no free lunch” and “You get what you pay for” are apt in today’s view of AA.

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    In the latest airline ranking news, congrats to Spirit Airlines for besting AA. Expecting Delta to leave AA in the dust was a no-brainer as those are two different leagues, but Spirit would have been unthinkable 5 years ago. It goes to show how one airline can fall. Most disturbingly, there’s really nothing that can turn AA around as they don’t have the resources and remain the poster child for bad labor relations worse then they ever were before.

    No way you can ever move up with those realities. Next up.........Allegiant. I give that 3 years at the latest.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Beagleboy View Post
    In the latest airline ranking news, congrats to Spirit Airlines for besting AA. Expecting Delta to leave AA in the dust was a no-brainer as those are two different leagues, but Spirit would have been unthinkable 5 years ago. It goes to show how one airline can fall. Most disturbingly, there’s really nothing that can turn AA around as they don’t have the resources and remain the poster child for bad labor relations worse then they ever were before.

    No way you can ever move up with those realities. Next up.........Allegiant. I give that 3 years at the latest.
    No, they have the resources. They just don't have the foresight to invest in those resources.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BOHICA View Post
    No, they have the resources. They just don't have the foresight to invest in those resources.
    They have the resources ?

    Could you clarify that for me ? I certainly could be missing something and am always willing to change my outlook. What I DO see is little excess cash as they have big bills over the next few years with the building of their new Taj Mahal corporate offices, pension contributions and interest payments on present aircraft and as a result, the unlikelihood of getting significant capital at attractive interest rates and little to do with that capital if they could get it. What is it now, 22 Billion in the debt dept. ? To wit, getting more mainline aircraft which there is no plan or opening new routes to compete outside their 3 fortress hubs as they are retreating just about everywhere else WITH such aircraft and the shifting of present resources if not an underperformer, something that will or has already maximized those hubs at generating revenue ability. They are hamstrung by scope on RJ's leaving them little more to do at the regional level but buy new small RJ's like reduced capacity CRJ-700's or -500's, which only add debt for little or no additional revenue generating ability. That's provided they can get a steady stream of suck.....um, pilots to fly them. Let's not forget unmotivated and alienated front-line employees at both AA and the regionals, especially Envoy. Their mainline ops are likely to contract due to lack of ability to match pilot training requirements with attrition.

    Quite frankly, under the present situation I don't see much to work with going forward other then perhaps shuffling some more furniture around the house to improve its appearance or burning some of it for heat. On that note, perhaps they are gearing up for a sale ? Fancy Executive digs, rock-bottom labor costs WELL under the competing legacies and a few LCC's and with the right move, dumping additional debt (but hardly all of it) through flushing what's left of the pensions and opening up the resources you say presently exist through scope decimation might just attract a buyer. It would be VERY risky for future investors IMO, as nothing will do anything for the product as long as the front-lime employees are marginalized compared to their peers and it appears hopeless that will improve anytime soon. As such, should some new owners shoot craps with some of the above benefits, I can't see how they'll make a silk purse out of a sow's anus while the front-line employees who ARE the product continue their slide down the rabbit hole of the past.

    But, I'm all eyes as to how you perceive the present situation providing the necessary resources for the present "new" AA to become something other then that the current 7-year slide has produced ? What do you see that I don't ?
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    America West changed name to American and got wide body planes, started getting rid of American’s old management last Q2018 and this is just the beginning. But don’t forget, America West is and always will be...
    America West.
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    And boom.....

    https://www.fool.com/investing/2019/...a-anymore.aspx

    the hits just keep on coming for the once greatest airline....
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