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    Quote Originally Posted by Beagleboy View Post
    Envoy also hires street captains, so shouldn’t that also tell pilots something they should know?

    Just doing some cursory math according to the pay scale tables Cujo included, a pilot going there today and realistically spending 3 years as an F/O and 6.5 years as a captain, they'd pocket well over 1.6 million based on 75 hours/month. I used that 9.5 years as a benchmark as that's how long its apparently going to take to get to AA for these pilots and where will they have gotten to after almost a decade? A floundering LCC that has lost its way, mired in debt and with the worst pilot relations in the industry among its peers (QWL to boot). They'd also be at the bottom of a 15,000 pilot senioirty list having watched all that precious job protecting seniority pass them by in the interim. I don't have the latest Envoy pay scales, but I'll bet a pilot who chose to shoot craps almost a decade waiting to be number 15,000 at "Shaky Airways" will have a substantially thinner wallet to show for all that risk vs. choosing Cujo's carrier as their pathway. 1.6 million for 9.5 years of flying ain't bad and that 767 experience is more likely to get you to Delta or United if that's your goal, provided you're young enough (<40) vs. all that RJ time, crown jewel included.

    He presented some facts with which to at least consider one's options whereas you have once again done nothing but just given us all another pointless horn blast from your outflow valve.
    Upgrade here is as soon as you meet the mins (3000TT, 500 company, 2 years OR 6000TT, 2000 PIC) which many of us had before even being hired. The junior non-street CA is a 1 year and 1 month upgrade. That may positively effect that calculation you so eloquently shared.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cujo665 View Post
    Upgrade here is as soon as you meet the mins (3000TT, 500 company, 2 years OR 6000TT, 2000 PIC) which many of us had before even being hired. The junior non-street CA is a 1 year and 1 month upgrade. That may positively effect that calculation you so eloquently shared.
    Dude, you are just one sad sack and it seems to be getting worse. Check out APC under the Envoy U/LCC thread. A poster has figured you out and has called you out on it. I personally think it's just jealousy that you aren't in an American Airlines cockpit. Seriously, if it's so great over there at OMNI, why in the heck are you always inserting yourself into Envoy threads and selling Omni. In addition, it seems that you desperately want to be the 121 shadow rep. Let it go man. If you are so happy there, be my guest, enjoy.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Beagleboy View Post
    Envoy also hires street captains, so shouldnít that also tell pilots something they should know?

    Just doing some cursory math according to the pay scale tables Cujo included, a pilot going there today and realistically spending 3 years as an F/O and 6.5 years as a captain, they'd pocket well over 1.6 million based on 75 hours/month. I used that 9.5 years as a benchmark as that's how long its apparently going to take to get to AA for these pilots and where will they have gotten to after almost a decade? A floundering LCC that has lost its way, mired in debt and with the worst pilot relations in the industry among its peers (QWL to boot). They'd also be at the bottom of a 15,000 pilot senioirty list having watched all that precious job protecting seniority pass them by in the interim. I don't have the latest Envoy pay scales, but I'll bet a pilot who chose to shoot craps almost a decade waiting to be number 15,000 at "Shaky Airways" will have a substantially thinner wallet to show for all that risk vs. choosing Cujo's carrier as their pathway. 1.6 million for 9.5 years of flying ain't bad and that 767 experience is more likely to get you to Delta or United if that's your goal, provided you're young enough (<40) vs. all that RJ time, crown jewel included.

    He presented some facts with which to at least consider one's options whereas you have once again done nothing but just given us all another pointless horn blast from your outflow valve.
    Envoy is a whole different ball game and you know it. Our pipeline cadre is so large that Envoy occasionally needs a bit of outside help as the race to 1000 here sometimes gets a little behind of the curve. It's a stop gap measure and nothing more and only occasionally. Now, why don't you tell me the reason a supposed "career destination" as sold by our ACMI grifter would need street captains? If it was so good, then highly qualified guys that have more than enough time would be beating down the door over there. Hint. They aren't. The doors that are getting banged on are over on Regent Blvd.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dacuj View Post
    Envoy is a whole different ball game and you know it. Our pipeline cadre is so large that Envoy occasionally needs a bit of outside help as the race to 1000 here sometimes gets a little behind of the curve. It's a stop gap measure and nothing more and only occasionally. Now, why don't you tell me the reason a supposed "career destination" as sold by our ACMI grifter would need street captains? If it was so good, then highly qualified guys that have more than enough time would be beating down the door over there. Hint. They aren't. The doors that are getting banged on are over on Regent Blvd.
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    14 more FO’s awarded upgrade this week. Ranges from 10 years seniority down to 4 months seniority....
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cujo665 View Post
    14 more FO’s awarded upgrade this week. Ranges from 10 years seniority down to 4 months seniority....
    Ages? The younger guys will look exceptionally good to Delta, United, SWA, etc.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Beagleboy View Post
    Ages? The younger guys will look exceptionally good to Delta, United, SWA, etc.
    I don’t doubt that at all. The guys over 45 don’t seem to be leaving though, and nobody is bailing for an LCC anymore unless they live in Base.

    the 10 year seniority guys are in their 40’s. The really junior upgrades are mostly expat guys returning to the US and the youngest was also 40’s it looked like
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    Forgive me for piling on here but seriously, you seem to ask for it.

    This is is a very sad scenario in which you have gone from selling top end Tiffany diamonds where you can only display them in a secure room, to literally selling a pile of s**t. So what if there are 4 month upgrades. You know what that says to me? Trouble. Means you canít find anybody that will stoop that low in other words. Put it this way, you can start at quarterback for the Patriots or you can start at quarterback for the backyard neighborhood misfit team. HUGE difference. And I think you know what I mean here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dacuj View Post
    Forgive me for piling on here but seriously, you seem to ask for it.

    This is is a very sad scenario in which you have gone from selling top end Tiffany diamonds where you can only display them in a secure room, to literally selling a pile of s**t. So what if there are 4 month upgrades. You know what that says to me? Trouble. Means you canít find anybody that will stoop that low in other words. Put it this way, you can start at quarterback for the Patriots or you can start at quarterback for the backyard neighborhood misfit team. HUGE difference. And I think you know what I mean here.
    You can upgrade in 6 months at Delta. What's your point?

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    Quote Originally Posted by eaglepilot View Post
    You can upgrade in 6 months at Delta. What's your point?
    There is none and never has been. The only real question is WHERE is his point and thatís been well established.

    Itís under his hat.

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    Quote Originally Posted by eaglepilot View Post
    You can upgrade in 6 months at Delta. What's your point?

    Exactly, it’s a great time to be a pilot. Flow programs are having less and less value everyday. There are so many great jobs out there now, no reason to suffer close to a decade to flow to the currently least desirable of the big six unless you live in base or have no degree. For many from the lost decade it’s a great opportunity.
    Currently, Anybody should be able to put in the effort and get hired someplace great years sooner. Being a CA at Spirit, JetBlue, Frontier, Kalitta, Omni, Southwest, United and Delta all offer quick upgrades making over $200k a year while the AAG regional guys are still being abused by a management team that just doesn’t get it. It’s a failed system that produces the occasional sycophant like our dear village idiot.
    A friend of mine just got his flow email. It’s been a long hard 9+ years for him.... hopefully the younger FO’s are keeping their options open and actively applying and attending job fairs. You can get out if you put the effort in. Flow should be the backup plan only at this point for newer pilots.
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    "Flow should be the backup plan only at this point for newer pilots." I agree with an added condition of "younger". Don't be that old SOB, who at O Dark thirty, looks into the mirror and wonders "What Happened?" before that early LaGarbage (LGA) turn.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cujo665 View Post
    Exactly, it’s a great time to be a pilot. Flow programs are having less and less value everyday. There are so many great jobs out there now, no reason to suffer close to a decade to flow to the currently least desirable of the big six unless you live in base or have no degree. For many from the lost decade it’s a great opportunity.
    Currently, Anybody should be able to put in the effort and get hired someplace great years sooner. Being a CA at Spirit, JetBlue, Frontier, Kalitta, Omni, Southwest, United and Delta all offer quick upgrades making over $200k a year while the AAG regional guys are still being abused by a management team that just doesn’t get it. It’s a failed system that produces the occasional sycophant like our dear village idiot.
    A friend of mine just got his flow email. It’s been a long hard 9+ years for him.... hopefully the younger FO’s are keeping their options open and actively applying and attending job fairs. You can get out if you put the effort in. Flow should be the backup plan only at this point for newer pilots.
    This is an outright lie. Just got his flow notice after a "long, hard" 9 1/2 years? Your sources here suck. Flow is now mid 2011 hire. Not even close to 9 years.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dacuj View Post
    This is an outright lie. Just got his flow notice after a "long, hard" 9 1/2 years? Your sources here suck. Flow is now mid 2011 hire. Not even close to 9 years.
    Mid 2011 DOH would be November 2019 Flow soooooo 8 1/2 years? That's close to 9.

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    Quote Originally Posted by eaglepilot View Post
    Mid 2011 DOH would be November 2019 Flow soooooo 8 1/2 years? That's close to 9.
    Yeah, I rounded.... he just can’t stand it that the flow is rapidly becoming of less and less value.... as predicted.
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    About Omni Air International

    Omni Pilots are represented by the Teamsters local 1224

    CBA: A new four year contract was effective April 2018 and becomes amendable in April 2021.

    Current Company/Union relationship: Productive

    Current Hiring Update: Maximum effort is being put forth to hire as many Captain qualified pilots as quickly as possible. The CA selection process has commenced, and will soon return to first officer selections. The company does not force eligible First Officers to upgrade. This resulted in the need for Street Captains.
    The Application is online, and interviewing is continuing. Current employees can make pilot recommendations by following the procedures the HR dept recently put in place.

    Current Fleet: 13 B767 on property, (two more expected soon) 3 B777 on property.
    There are currently over 340 pilots on the seniority list.

    767 Flights: The 767's operate globally. The majority of flying is DOD passenger. Separate based programs in LAS and BWI support special B767 program flying.

    777 Flights: The B777 fleet is almost entirely all DOD passenger.

    Omni currently does no cargo operations.

    Schedules: The schedules are on a monthly basis and are 18 days on and 12 or 13 off. This includes two over ride days which are rarely used, and come with pay guarantee over rides if used. This drops the effective days on to 16. The schedule is largely planned to be either a continuous 16 day rotation or split into two duty day blocks. Schedulimg is good about moving days around if you need it, and trip trading is allowed. There are also a handful of two month lines included in the bid packs for pilots desiring two months of known days on/off.

    Bases: We are home based, meaning the company buys a full fare ticket to get you to wherever your line starts and back home when it's done - domestic travel is in coach - International travel is business or first class. LAS based crews travel to/from base on their own. Hotels are always provided away from home.

    Pay: First year FO pay is $117/hr and goes to $124/hr in April 2020 - the guarantee is 64hrs - you may have more credit hours than 64, or you may not, so plan on 64 - per diem is about $1000/month - with no overtime flying a new hire can expect to make more than 100k the first year.


    First Officer Hiring Candidate Requirements:
    2000+ hours of total time minimum.
    If Military: >1000 hrs. Total Time. Turbine and PIC are flexible.
    1000 PIC, turbine preferred.

    Street Captain Hiring Candidate Requirements:
    6000+ hours of total time minimum.
    2000 PIC
    Typed & Current on B767 or B777 preferred
    International experience preferred


    Application and Interview
    Apply at omni.aero and scroll to bottom, choose “Work for Omni” then choose “Pilots.” The pilot hiring window opens and closes throughout the year. Please check often.

    https://www.oai.aero/careers-first_officers

    The first contact is a email call from the HR department.
    If invited for an interview the candidate will need to travel to Tulsa or other designated location at their own expense for a one day interview consisting of a panel interview, a written exam, an HR interview and a simulator evaluation. A Hotel room will be provided the night before the interview.

    Training
    Training consists of Indoc, CBT (Computer Based Training), FTD (Flight Training Device), Simulator and IOE. Initial Training takes 5 weeks and then you will be in the queue for IOE. Training pay is $600/wk plus hotel and per diem. Flight pay starts on 1st day after passing both your type rating and PC. You will receive full pay during IOE.
    It will be a challenge for just about everyone, but if you are willing to put in the work, the instructors will get you through it. Expect to be flying a plane you’ve never flown out of locations you’ve never seen, using procedures you’ve never used while being graded on it. Most of it is self-guided and will require you to study with your class.

    Frequently Asked Questions

    Applying/Interview
    I don’t have any jet/heavy time, can I apply?
    Yes, you can still apply. We have quite a few pilots that came from a turboprop background.

    Is being a US citizen a definite requirement?
    Yes. The DOD contracts require it.

    I have X Hours and have X experience. Am I competitive?
    This is unfortunately a moving target, so we cannot answer this question. What we think is competitive might not be to the hiring team. All we can suggest is to apply, and regularly update your application.

    Do you get assigned an aircraft type in class, or are you hired into the fleet in which you apply?
    Right now, you will get assigned a fleet when you are offered a position. You will be earmarked for a fleet during the interview and may be asked which you prefer, or if you would be ok with it.

    What do people wear to the interview?
    When invited to an interview you will be told that business casual is appropriate. That being said, most people show up in a suit.

    What if I am unable to answer the call for an interview because I am out flying?
    The company knows you're out flying. They'll leave a message, and you can call them back when you're on the ground.

    Scheduling/Travel
    Can they keep you out longer than your 16 days?
    Yes, scheduling may require you to work the two over ride days which are paid above guarantee. They may also extend you up to two additional days. You can not be junior manned while on a day off.

    Can you be stuck on a back to back rotation?
    It’s possible, but not likely. Most of the people that do back to back rotations are because they chose to, so they could change their schedule around to be home for a personal commitment. Very rarely will you get stuck with it because you did not have the seniority to hold the same schedule. If that happens, you can call scheduling, and they will usually try to help you out.

    Do you Operate under part 117 rest rules?
    Yes, Omni operates all flights under part 117 FTDT rules.

    Will I be sitting reserve for a long time before getting a line?
    Things don’t work like that at Omni. There aren’t many pure hard flying lines. Being assigned a line doesn’t really mean you will actually fly those days, so bid the days off that you want. You probably won’t fly the entire month with the crew you were assigned to either. Most lines are blocks of reserve days that get populated 2-10 days in advance. A few lines are actual scheduled known flying, these tend to go very senior and have a higher guarantee in many cases.

    Is the schedule based on a 28 day schedule, or 30?
    You may expect to be away from home at work 16-18 of the days in every calendar month. The exception is Jan, Feb, and March. They are all 30 days because of the loss of days with Feb. You often will get your first reserve day at hime. The 777 crews currently seem to get more reserve days at home than 767 crews.

    What type of flying will I be doing as a junior guy vs a senior guy?
    The exact same thing. It doesn’t matter if you’re the number 1 guy, or the last, you most likely will not get the exact line that you bid. You will however get the schedule you want based on seniority. There are also a few lines that have a higher guarantee, so you will be paid what the line awards even if you don’t fly it.

    How many hours do you fly per month?
    Most people fly around 300-550 or so hours a year, but you will end up getting around 25-50 block hours per month.

    How much Deadheading do you do, and in what class?
    Lately there’s been a lot more of it, but in general you will deadhead about 1-3 times in addition to your initial positioning and going home. In practice, We get business class or better on international deadheads over 3 hours. Everything else is coach. Alaska and Hawaii are considered domestic.

    What is the quality of the Hotels?
    In general they are decent. In the US expect a lot of Double Tree type hotels. In Asia and the Mideast they are outstanding. In Europe they vary.

    Do I have to sit around in the hotel on Reserve?
    No. There are several types of Reserve, but the most common is R2. It means you have to check in with scheduling within 15 minutes, and depart ready for duty in 2 hours. That basically means you have 2 hours to get into uniform and check out of the hotel and be at the plane. That typically leaves plenty of room to go out locally and enjoy the cities that you visit.

    How long are you in each location?
    We fly under 117 rest rules, so no 8 hour overnights here. Min rest days are fairly rare. We are usually in any given location for at least about 24 hours, and often up to a week, plus there is a required day off each week.

    How does Overtime work?
    You have to work 16 days per month, two more if scheduling uses your over ride days (currently rare). If you chose to work 1 extra day off, you will be paid your hours flown, plus $300 on day one, $400 on day two, and $500 on day three or more. DH pays at 50% the hours. 4 hours minimum for not flying (whichever is greater).

    Miles for travel or Zed fares?
    We have ZED type travel for yourself and for family currently with one mainline carrier. After 1 year of service you may sign up for this benefit. You will be issued an ID and login credentials for the carriers travel site to list yourself/family for desired flights. The fare will be payroll deducted.
    You will also get airline miles, and stays credits/points at most hotels.

    How does commuting work?
    The company will buy you a commercial ticket from your home airport. Generally they will call on day one reserve with your DH flight the next morning. The company is then required to get you back home on your last work day. There is no commuting on your days off. Your commute is on duty, and paid.

    Benefits
    Sick leave/Vacation
    Vacation: 14 days per year until year 5 then 21 days per year.
    Sick: 7 days immediately in the bank, and after the first year it accrues at .67 days/month

    Medical Benefits?
    We enjoy one of the best Cadillac health care plans in the industry which is as good as or better than any major airline today. Medical benefits start after 90 days. Medical is currently about $80 single and $170 family per pay period.

    401K
    You can sign up after 90 days, and it’s 5% matching up to $10,000 per year.

    Home Basing
    Can I live outside of the US and fly for Omni?
    Yes! We have quite a few crew members that live outside of the US. The catch is that the company will only buy you a ticket to the plane from an airport in the US, so you will have to find your own way to your chosen US airport. Scheduling will work with you though if you happen to live by a very common location that we fly to.

    What airports can be used as a home base?
    Pretty much most any class B or C airport in the lower 48 that has commercial service. There is a long list of class D & E airports also.

    What are the bases at Omni?
    Pilots are home based except for Las Vegas and Baltimore based program pilots. The company will fly you to and from the plane wherever it is.

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    Uniforms?
    The official uniform is from Crew Outfitters. You will be sized and purchase it at Initial training. A uniform allowance is provided for replacements.

    What bag should I buy, and how do you guys pack for 16+ days?
    People use anything from Luggage Works to Costco bags, so it’s really up to you. You will not be jumpseating to work, so if you want to check a bag you can. Most of the people pack for 7-10 days, and do laundry once on each rotation. There are places to do laundry at 75%+ of our hotels.

    Upgrade Times
    The DOH for the most junior pilot holding a 767 Captain bid is April 2019, so you can upgrade as soon as you hold FAA and company upgrade minimums. This does not include street captains.

    Is there a lot of attrition?
    No, there is very little attrition. 1-3 FOs every month tend to leave for the legacies. Very few of the captains leave for anything other than retirement.

    Do you fly for Amazon?
    No.We do zero cargo flying currently.

    I want to jumpseat on Omni. How do I do it?
    Call Ops. The number is listed on the website, the ALPA & Teamsters websites and they will be able to give you the schedule and list you on the flight. In Las Vegas or Honolulu just go to the gate.

    How is the company with Guard and Reserve commitments?
    The company loves military pilots, and with that accepts that a good portion of military pilots are now in the Guard or Reserve. You have 14-15 days off per month for any required duties and the ability to move your schedule around to accommodate. Just keep in mind that Omni is a much smaller company than Delta/American/etc so if you drop extended orders you will impact the schedule greatly.

    Does Omni feed you on the flights?
    Yes, the meals are required to be equal to or better than the first class passenger meals. Salmon isn’t unheard of.
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    I was talking to a corporate pilot over a few beverages the other day who flies Falcons and he has racked up over 80 free hotels stays with the points he gets. He makes over 200K and has well over 400K in his retirement accounts and he’s in his mid-30’s. He flies a fair bit to Europe, but gets a lot of time off.

    He wasn’t bragging as I was asking a lot about his lifestyle. I was impressed. He wondered about the airlines as he didn’t have a 4-year degree and I told him IMO he’s doing just fine. What impressed me most, was his health care. It was WAY better then AAG. I think he’s smart to maximize his income at a younger age and he’s seeing some great places with long layovers to enjoy them. His trips are on the longer side though.

    There IS successful flying career life outside of Envoy/AA.

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