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    Quote Originally Posted by ardvark View Post
    Let's see, pay cut, premium pay give away, no more vacation, or PBS. Which ever or combination of, will cause the most laughter at envoy h.q. They have the mec by the shortest of short hairs.
    If life stinks now, just wait. Follow the soap opera at the other w/o just to get an idea of what's coming.
    What are you even talking about?? No more vacation? Pay cut?? Even the most pessimistic folks wouldn’t even say that...you’re just putting on an act at this point.

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    Maybe, but I have no faith in this pilot group or the mec, wish I am wrong but dont believe so. Just excuses for why things have or wont happen for four years now. Maybe they will find a spine.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ardvark View Post
    Maybe, but I have no faith in this pilot group or the mec, wish I am wrong but dont believe so. Just excuses for why things have or wont happen for four years now. Maybe they will find a spine.
    If you hate it so much here, why don't you leave you idiot. EVERYBODY is hiring.

    Oh, I get it. You are probably original Flagship with multiple checkride failures, no degree and just generally a waste-oid. I get it now.

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    Boy with wet pants leave the room please. One of no knowledge should be kept silent. You were not told time out was over back to your crib. No dinner for you.

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    The time has arrived.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NoOtPilot View Post
    55 Days until your Union goes running back to the company willing to help management, in exchange for their flow...
    And the countdown continues...
    Tic,Toc....
    As previously briefed:

    During the week, members of the Negotiating Committee, along with MEC Officers, staff from ALPA National's Economic and Financial Analysis department, and our attorneys met with members of Envoy management to discuss implementation of similar improvements at Envoy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NoOtPilot View Post
    As previously briefed:

    During the week, members of the Negotiating Committee, along with MEC Officers, staff from ALPA National's Economic and Financial Analysis department, and our attorneys met with members of Envoy management to discuss implementation of similar improvements at Envoy.
    You can make sure that the union won't mention how just a short time ago the company was asking for concessions from us to talk all the while PSA was giving their pilots pay increase for nothing.

    Why isn't our union raking management over the coals on this one? Are they going to be obedient little puppets and just accept the scrapes that management hands them since their hand was forced by the development of PSA getting raises or will the union be a true union and hold out for what we really deserve and use the leverage we now have?

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    Your answers are,
    Because, yes and unfortunately no.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NoOtPilot View Post
    The time has arrived.
    Your 60 days was up long ago. Even a broken clock is correct twice a day...

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    Quote Originally Posted by wiz5422 View Post
    You can make sure that the union won't mention how just a short time ago the company was asking for concessions from us to talk all the while PSA was giving their pilots pay increase for nothing.

    Why isn't our union raking management over the coals on this one? Are they going to be obedient little puppets and just accept the scrapes that management hands them since their hand was forced by the development of PSA getting raises or will the union be a true union and hold out for what we really deserve and use the leverage we now have?
    “...staff from ALPA National's Economic and Financial Analysis department...”

    There is only one reason ALPA National is in the house...to make sure Envoy MEC take a deal.
    MEC Feeling the pressure from both ends.
    Company & ALPA National. Nothing new here, same old playbook.
    Last edited by NoOtPilot; 04-21-2019 at 03:16 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NoOtPilot View Post
    “...staff from ALPA National's Economic and Financial Analysis department...”

    There is only one reason ALPA National is in the meeting...to make sure Envoy MEC take a deal.
    Feeling the pressure from both ends.
    Company & National. Nothing new here, same old playbook.
    99% of what the union does (like taking a bad deal) is to prevent them from being sued. Pathetic.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wiz5422 View Post
    99% of what the union does (like taking a bad deal) is to prevent them from being sued. Pathetic.
    “...pay rate increases at PSA came to be. This LOA was not the result of active negotiations by the PSA MEC and PSA management. Rather, it simply came as a result of their management approaching the PSA MEC and proposing the new pay rates, and the PSA MEC accepting them.”

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    AAG gave the green light 8 months ago to each w/o for pay raises to the pilots.
    Left it up to each management how, when and dont ge over the limit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Meatloaf View Post
    Your 60 days was up long ago. Even a broken clock is correct twice a day...
    Sorry, next time I’ll try to be more precise. Really hope you are in the Protected Pilot Group. Because is going to get ugly before 2021.
    Stick around, and you will see. Increase in flow coming, but in years before you flow. False advertising should be ilegal. Hope you are a PP.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nootpilot View Post
    company’s next move. Increase the flow to all pilots after the protected pilots. This way eny mec will look good in front of the pilots they represent and company gets the concessions they want. Suddenly the contract changes that were unacceptable to the association, will be acceptable. A win-win for everybody, except for the pilots, that are projected to flow after 2021. Business as usual.
    Awsome bait. And you will see how it works. Tic,toc....
    Your MEC next move: “Don’t let the pilots vote.”

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