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    Now that Doug Parker has gone from running a dinky regional carrier like America West to become the boss of the largest airline in the world. It is time to move on and finish the agenda.

    Doug Parker is making the picture out to be worst than it is. American has dropped to the bottom among the legacies Delta and United. They continue to outperform The New American, even though labor cost at Delta and United is higher than American.

    But keeping pace with rising wages is not Doug Parker’s flight plan.

    Dough Parker’s attitude is that the fastest way to turn the company around, is to reduce labor costs.

    “American Airlines CEO Doug Parker and President Robert Isom have sent out a letter to American employees today announcing upcoming layoffs:
    “However, as leaders take the time to look at their organization, there is the potential for some involuntary departures as well.”
    ~June 2018~

    "We are intent upon running the most reliable operation in our post-merger history...and cost saving initiatives," Doug Parker said in a statement.
    ~January 24, 2019~

    American have trimmed their route system. I wonder who is picking up those routes?

    His #1 objective is to cut costs to make a profit. Now is time to provoke our unions, he will give them every reason to join forces. He will push them to the breaking point.
    Flight attendants, mechanics, pilots, baggage handlers. He will use psychological warfare and mental intimidation.

    Dough Parker is going to use the system to deplete union resources, even if company lose most of their cases. Is just a way to keep the unions busy and off guard.

    The stress will begin to show on their employees. Parker wants more productivity from all groups. This is his D-Day, this is the transformation of American Airlines into America West...his masterpiece. We most assume that one group will try to strike. I wonder if Parker has been preparing the company financially solid in the event of a strike?

    How many times the word Bankruptcy have been said at headquarters, more layoffs or the possibility of a strike?

    Now he will be looking for an excuse to pick up a fight with a union and that fight
    will be the beginning of his D-Day.
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    2021.gif

    "Excuse me ladies and gentlemen..."

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    2021 baby! Tic ******* toc.

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    On another note, 2020 just around the corner. More 175s on the way, a new base and a 3000 plus strong Envoy pilot cadre. Tic toc.

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    Thought your new base was happening last year. Another empty prediction void of fact there Nostradamus.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sirsnacksalot View Post
    Thought your new base was happening last year. Another empty prediction void of fact there Nostradamus.
    Which one is Nostradamus?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dacuj View Post
    On another note, 2020 just around the corner. More 175s on the way, a new base and a 3000 plus strong Envoy pilot cadre. Tic toc.
    Correction again with facts:
    2,345 pilots as of January 2019. For some unknown reason, is impossible to reach 2,400 pilots. Attrition and flow are starting to have an effect.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dacuj View Post
    On another note, 2020 just around the corner. More 175s on the way, a new base and a 3000 plus strong Envoy pilot cadre. Tic toc.
    Shouldn't you be worried about AA? Parker doesn't have them in a good position moving fprward.

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    Quote Originally Posted by snippercr View Post
    2021.gif

    "Excuse me ladies and gentlemen..."
    By no means, this is the beginning of...
    THE NEW AMERICAN
    Parker’s dream.

    • In 2019, the company expects to take delivery of 46 mainline aircrafts.
    The company also expects to retire 55 mainline aircraft, including 10 B757 aircraft, 9 B763 aircraft, 6 E190 aircraft and 30 MD80 aircraft.
    • In 2019, the company expects to increase the regional fleet count by a net of 12 aircraft, resulting from the addition of 11 CRJ900 aircraft and 20 E175 aircraft, as well as the reduction of 14 CRJ200 aircraft and 5 ERJ140 aircraft.

    The growth continues.

    Don’t forget, this is the first time all unions are going to face Parker’s management and negotiations team, “they’ve got ice water in their veins.”

    For the thousands in attendance and the millions watching around the world. Ladies and gentlemen from Dallas, Texas.
    “Let’s get ready to RUMBLE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!”
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    Quote Originally Posted by NoOtPilot View Post
    By no means, this is the beginning of...
    THE NEW AMERICAN
    Parker’s dream.

    • In 2019, the company expects to take delivery of 46 mainline aircrafts.
    The company also expects to retire 55 mainline aircraft, including 10 B757 aircraft, 9 B763 aircraft, 6 E190 aircraft and 30 MD80 aircraft.
    • In 2019, the company expects to increase the regional fleet count by a net of 12 aircraft, resulting from the addition of 11 CRJ900 aircraft and 20 E175 aircraft, as well as the reduction of 14 CRJ200 aircraft and 5 ERJ140 aircraft.

    The growth continues.

    Don’t forget, this is the first time all unions are going to face Parker’s management and negotiations team, “they’ve got ice water in their veins.”

    For the thousands in attendance and the millions watching around the world. Ladies and gentlemen from Dallas, Texas.
    “Let’s get ready to RUMBLE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!”
    Yes, AA is shrinking. More outsourcing is the goal (bad for flow). But, I think it’s important to reemphasize the understanding AAG is hamstrung by their balance sheet, including debt and Scope, the combination of which likely leaves them on the sideline for NextGen small jets (<110 seats). Group II will contract and AA’s pilot ranks are slated to decrease. Adding more 787’s, but losing many 767’s, so Group IV not really growing meaning International codeshare will increase. The AA model depends on its regional network, yet that foundation will have a harder time meeting its targets as the pilot supply dwindles and already clapped out small RJ’s age. Large RJ Scope is about tapped out, but in theory they could just buy more small RJ’s (highly unlikely), but could they even get financing considering their debt ?

    Doubtful.

    How does AA move forward to compete not JUST with its fellow LCC’s, but premier legacies Delta and United, especially with a product of marginal competitive quality and likely falling further ? How do they do it with alienated front-line labor left on the cultural and economic sidelines while watching their peers excel ? How does AA rejuvenate that critical aspect of their business model (its regional system) with 2/3 of its fleet in need of replacement and a balance sheet anchored with monsterous debt ? How do they do it with the gauntlet of mainline (not just pilot) Scope blocking them ? Even if Scope was relaxed (or knocked down by force), how do they get acceptable financing AKA “good debt” for that expenditure ? How do they concurrently get their labor forces (both mainline and regional) on-board in spirit and not just theory regardless of what tack they take in the future ? With AAG’s upcoming pension and debt servicing, if profits don’t substantially exceed this years consistently in the coming years which are needed to ensue at least SOME net profit, what happens ? If truly “bad” financial years fall upon AA at such a tenuous time, what happens ? It goes on and on.......

    So many questions and it appears few answers and options. Something must change, but what ?

    The present tack of hope and “kicking the can” won’t get AA and all dependent on it through the threats and obstacles of the future. Many know this and IMO, so does AAG management, at least not in present form or function. We both know the significance of the potential “relief valve” beginning in 2021, but in order for that to provide true relief, we need another valve opened one way or the other. It’s easy (and attractive) for hungry young pilots to put on blinders and focus only on flow to what they assume is a solid future and why not, so many before them did too ? Many got something they didn’t expect though. The present is little different then the past at AA and the future is thus more predictable.

    Pilots need to do better at learning from the past and recognizing the present. I think if pilots do, they will be far more prepared then their predecessors when predictablity comes home to roost once again in the AMR/AAG nexus.
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    Well just like I said at the beginning of this thread...


    Now is time to provoke our unions, he will give them every reason to join forces. He will push them to the breaking point.
    Flight attendants, mechanics, pilots, baggage handlers. He will use psychological warfare and mental intimidation.


    From Our Union:
    The company refuses to negotiate in good faith on new reserve rule language to replace our old, outdated language. They demand that we all take more concessions for any improvement, even when we have the worst rules in the industry. They even threatened the Union with an ultimatum to continue negotiating.
    ~January 24, 2019~

    If you are not projected to flow before 2021...you are here because they LIED 🤥 and you will be here for a long ride.

    No need to bluff or lie, just facts.
    The flow will STOP. 🛑
    Last edited by NoOtPilot; 01-26-2019 at 12:25 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Beagleboy View Post
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    Yes, AA is shrinking.
    Shrinking?

    YOY change 2017 -2018

    Pax revenue up 3.9%
    Cargo revenue up 13.8%
    Net income up 10.2%
    earnings per share up

    Oh you meant passenger counts etc

    Revenue passenger mils up 2.0%
    ASMs up 2.0%
    Load factor up
    Departures up 1.6%

    Oh you meant aircraft...

    Aircraft at end of period up .8%

    Oh you meant block hours

    Block hours up 1.5%

    2019 they lose aircraft but what are the block hours? And they are losing aircraft due to parking inefficient fleets MD80, 190, 767. And delays in NEO deliveries


    https://americanairlines.gcs-web.com...nd-full-year-3

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    Quote Originally Posted by Meatloaf View Post
    Shrinking?

    YOY change 2017 -2018

    Pax revenue up 3.9%
    Cargo revenue up 13.8%
    Net income up 10.2%
    earnings per share up

    Oh you meant passenger counts etc

    Revenue passenger mils up 2.0%
    ASMs up 2.0%
    Load factor up
    Departures up 1.6%

    Oh you meant aircraft...

    Aircraft at end of period up .8%

    Oh you meant block hours

    Block hours up 1.5%

    2019 they lose aircraft but what are the block hours? And they are losing aircraft due to parking inefficient fleets MD80, 190, 767. And delays in NEO deliveries


    https://americanairlines.gcs-web.com...nd-full-year-3
    I can only conclude by your inclusion of aspects irrelevant to what translates into competitive compensation and QWL issues for pilots that you are aligned with the salesman. Posting management’s spin (which you clearly believe) only exacerbates that perception. Actually, the clear emotion in this post is the most revealing component.

    Yes, AA is shrinking. Its fleet count is shrinking, its outsourcing efforts are increasing and the treatment, culture and compensation are ALL suffering in conjunction with and as a result of these realities and thus, so is its product. Pilots do not (and should not) give a rats ass if revenue is up, profits are being made, passenger counts and/or load factors are increasing, etc., if it doesn’t translate to improvements in the CLEAR competitive deficits experienced by both AA and Envoy pilots. Increased block hours mean pilots are simply being worked harder as their bankruptcy contracts allow. Expect little change in the years ahead too as AA has neither the resources or IMO interest in doing anything other then running a LCC with associated “Walmart” compensation and QWL.

    If you believe muddying up the water with all this meaningless gobbledygook (insofar as pilots are concerned) to make a sows ear look like a silk purse, then you need to exit the flying line and join Dacuj and his chums in the wannabe management conga line, because you’re of no value to unionized pilots. Have you too considered an “SA” easy chair ?

    BTW, you forgot one also increasing metric : Debt.
    Last edited by Beagleboy; 01-26-2019 at 10:59 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Beagleboy View Post
    I can only conclude by your inclusion of aspects irrelevant to what translates into competitive compensation and QWL issues for pilots that you are aligned with the salesman. Posting management’s spin (which you clearly believe) only exacerbates that perception.
    What spin? I only posted factual data.

    Quote Originally Posted by Beagleboy View Post
    Actually, the clear emotion in this post is the most revealing component.
    no emotion at all. Just presenting the facts

    Quote Originally Posted by Beagleboy View Post
    Yes, AA is shrinking. Its fleet count is shrinking, its outsourcing efforts are increasing and the treatment, culture and compensation are ALL suffering in conjunction with and as a result of these realities and thus, so is its product.
    The pilot's pay checks went up YOY

    Quote Originally Posted by Beagleboy View Post
    Pilots do not (and should not) give a rats ass if revenue is up, profits are being made, passenger counts and/or load factors are increasing, etc., if it doesn’t translate to improvements in the CLEAR competitive deficits experienced by both AA and Envoy pilots.
    I understand what you're saying but I also want the company to thrive. I believe labor can thrive at the same time.

    Quote Originally Posted by Beagleboy View Post
    Increased block hours mean pilots are simply being worked harder as their bankruptcy contracts allow. Expect little change in the years ahead too as AA has neither the resources or IMO interest in doing anything other then running a LCC with associated “Walmart” compensation and QWL.
    Over 900 pilots hired in 2018. I am told the February PBS bidding hours were low, contrary to your assumption pilots are working harder. Give me data not talking points.

    Quote Originally Posted by Beagleboy View Post
    If you believe muddying up the water with all this meaningless gobbledygook (insofar as pilots are concerned) to make a sows ear look like a silk purse, then you need to exit the flying line and join Dacuj and his chums in the wannabe management conga line, because you’re of no value to unionized pilots. Have you too considered an “SA” easy chair ?
    Not at all. I am simply posting facts and data. I rarely see you do the same. Got facts?

    Quote Originally Posted by Beagleboy View Post
    BTW, you forgot one also increasing metric : Debt.
    Not all debt is bad debt. I love it when pilots play management.

    Have the last word. Until you post something factual on this topic, I'm done with it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Meatloaf View Post
    What spin? I only posted factual data.

    no emotion at all. Just presenting the facts

    The pilot's pay checks went up YOY

    I understand what you're saying but I also want the company to thrive. I believe labor can thrive at the same time.

    Over 900 pilots hired in 2018. I am told the February PBS bidding hours were low, contrary to your assumption pilots are working harder. Give me data not talking points.

    Not at all. I am simply posting facts and data. I rarely see you do the same. Got facts?

    Not all debt is bad debt. I love it when pilots play management.

    Have the last word. Until you post something factual on this topic, I'm done with it.
    Nice try... but this is what AAG said,

    Fleet Update January 24, 2019

    • In 2019, the company expects to take delivery of 46 mainline aircraft...

    The company also expects to retire 55 mainline aircraft.

    Let me see:

    46 - 55 = -9

    YUP AA is shrinking in 2019.

    Where is the flying going?
    • In 2019, the company expects to increase the regional fleet count by a net of 12 aircraft...

    YUP is call outsourcing.

    BTW
    174 E175 in 2019
    189 E175 in 2020

    The outsourcing will continue.
    But the fact is AA’s fleet is shrinking.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Meatloaf View Post
    What spin? I only posted factual data.

    no emotion at all. Just presenting the facts

    The pilot's pay checks went up YOY

    I understand what you're saying but I also want the company to thrive. I believe labor can thrive at the same time.

    Over 900 pilots hired in 2018. I am told the February PBS bidding hours were low, contrary to your assumption pilots are working harder. Give me data not talking points.

    Not at all. I am simply posting facts and data. I rarely see you do the same. Got facts?

    Not all debt is bad debt. I love it when pilots play management.

    Have the last word. Until you post something factual on this topic, I'm done with it.
    I didn’t dispute your “facts” (although some of them are in dispute), I disputed their relevance to what matters to pilots. You state I offer no facts ?

    AAG isn’t mired in debt ?

    Parker’s claims of 3-5 (or 7?) Billion annual profit margins in “bad to good years” haven’t fallen WELL short of that metric in arguably the best economy in decades ?

    The AA product doesn’t rank consistently at or near the bottom of the rankings ?

    AA’s profit margin is well less then that of Delta’s on MORE revenue ?

    Parker is NOT deliberately stalling implementation of AA pilots contract provisions and bankruptcy provisions at that ?

    AAG management hasn’t been kicking the can in negotiating a contract with AA mechanics for years ?

    Envoy pilots (and just yesterday their Association) aren’t airing valid complaints about low pay, poor schedules and contractual disregard and abuse ?

    AA pilots on LTD aren’t being forced to hand over their Social Security disability to the company ?

    AA and Envoy employees profit sharing isn’t minuscule compared to most others and 10% of Delta Employees ?

    AAG isn’t hamstrung by scope and thus in conjunction with poor financials crippled in boosting their flexibility and competitiveness (and thus product) ?

    I could go on all day. Must be just my imagination. Hey, if you want to hang your career hat on load factors, revenue and corporate profit (little of which has found its way to front-line employees) and disregard the countless red flags of an entity that not only hasn’t altered their past dysfunctional behavior for the better, but for the worse, knock yourself out. Again, your “facts” are great aspects if you are in management (especially senior) or on the BOD, but not if you are labor. If you think the share value of AA is competitive, look again.

    Again, it’s just a suggestion, but if I were you, I’d keep my personal financial powder dry as the present smoke and mirrors facade of the current AA is moving forward to the past faster then Marty McFly in a Delorean. Little has changed my friend and AA is ripe to repeat history.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Meatloaf View Post
    What spin? I only posted factual data.

    no emotion at all. Just presenting the facts

    The pilot's pay checks went up YOY

    I understand what you're saying but I also want the company to thrive. I believe labor can thrive at the same time.

    Over 900 pilots hired in 2018. I am told the February PBS bidding hours were low, contrary to your assumption pilots are working harder. Give me data not talking points.

    Not at all. I am simply posting facts and data. I rarely see you do the same. Got facts?

    Not all debt is bad debt. I love it when pilots play management.

    Have the last word. Until you post something factual on this topic, I'm done with it.
    Sorry you have to listen to and respond to his ranting. If it were up to me, he and a few others would have been gone from here long ago. The majority of your post was spot on and is how the MAJORITY of guys at Envoy think. He blathers on constantly about me providing facts (which I do) when he doesn't! Which you so clearly demonstrate in your excellent rebuttal.

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    What would you know of what line pilots whether at envoy or aa think or want. You're nothing but sa pilot. Chicken shi+.
    You should not be here, you left envoy. You have no inside info just b.s. propaganda.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dacuj View Post
    Sorry you have to listen to and respond to his ranting. If it were up to me, he and a few others would have been gone from here long ago. The majority of your post was spot on and is how the MAJORITY of guys at Envoy think. He blathers on constantly about me providing facts (which I do) when he doesn't! Which you so clearly demonstrate in your excellent rebuttal.
    Yuo, it sounds as though you have a new fan. As far as your desire to control others, Moscow, Pyongyang, Havana, Caracas and Beijing could be just right for you, what being a military hero and all. Authoritarian regimes seem to give you a warm and fuzzy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dacuj View Post
    Sorry you have to listen to and respond to his ranting. If it were up to me, he and a few others would have been gone from here long ago........
    Well, it’s not... he may spin, but he doesn’t outright lie like you’ve been caught doing several times. Nor does he have delusions of some great military career. He also never confuses a regional pilot job with a mainline job.
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