Page 2 of 3 FirstFirst 123 LastLast
Results 21 to 40 of 54

Thread: Louisiana mudin

  1. #21
    Registered User
    Join Date
    Aug 2013
    Posts
    369
    Level
    45
    Points: 5,140, Level: 45
    Overall activity: 0%
    Achievements:
    Veteran5000 Experience Points
    Thumbs Up/Down
    Received: 19/2
    Given: 0/0

    Ignore User

    0 Not allowed! Not allowed!
    Quote Originally Posted by Oldrebel View Post
    Another one. This time hit national news ABC friday night. Picture of CRJ in the mud. Don’t know who.
    Mesa in COU this time

  2. #22
    Registered User
    Join Date
    Dec 2012
    Posts
    113
    Level
    46
    Points: 5,178, Level: 46
    Overall activity: 0%
    Achievements:
    Veteran5000 Experience Points
    Thumbs Up/Down
    Received: 4/6
    Given: 15/18

    Ignore User

    0 Not allowed! Not allowed!
    Quote Originally Posted by Oldrebel View Post
    Another one. This time hit national news ABC friday night. Picture of CRJ in the mud. Donít know who.
    It was a Mesa 900 if you're referring to COU.

  3. #23
    Registered User
    Join Date
    Jun 2017
    Company
    Envoy
    Base
    ORD DFW
    Job
    Pilot
    A/C Flown
    CRJ
    Posts
    64
    Level
    24
    Points: 1,779, Level: 24
    Overall activity: 0%
    Achievements:
    1 year registered1000 Experience Points
    Thumbs Up/Down
    Received: 2/0
    Given: 1/0

    Ignore User

    0 Not allowed! Not allowed!
    Quote Originally Posted by Oldrebel View Post
    Another one. This time hit national news ABC friday night. Picture of CRJ in the mud. Donít know who.
    It was Mesa, ran off the end of the runway in COU on a flight from DFW. Apparently it had been snowing, and runway was slick. That airport is a problem. Short runway that a CRJ 700 can barely make it in to when braking action is less than good, and they came in with a 900 and 80 passengers. Eaglevoy went offroading there, Twice, a few years back.

  4. #24
    Super Moderator Cujo665's Avatar
    Join Date
    Nov 2012
    Company
    A great one
    Base
    Home Based
    Job
    Pilot
    A/C Flown
    SF340, E145, B767
    Posts
    2,005
    Level
    100
    Points: 30,972, Level: 100
    Overall activity: 52.0%
    Achievements:
    OverdriveVeteran25000 Experience PointsSocial
    Thumbs Up/Down
    Received: 370/50
    Given: 75/9

    Ignore User

    0 Not allowed! Not allowed!
    Quote Originally Posted by Griff312 View Post
    It was Mesa, ran off the end of the runway in COU on a flight from DFW. Apparently it had been snowing, and runway was slick. That airport is a problem. Short runway that a CRJ 700 can barely make it in to when braking action is less than good, and they came in with a 900 and 80 passengers. Eaglevoy went offroading there, Twice, a few years back.
    Is the performance manual with required dispatch landing distance still in the cockpit library?

    i remember many times the TOLD cards said good to land, but the preflight landing distance charts to actually dispatch were quite a bit more.....

    if its tight operationally, I wonder if the dispatch performance charts will say no dispatch anything other than dry runway.
    might be worth a peek.
    __________________________________________________ __

  5. #25
    Registered User ardvark's Avatar
    Join Date
    Nov 2012
    Posts
    4,759
    Level
    99
    Points: 28,527, Level: 99
    Overall activity: 89.0%
    Achievements:
    OverdriveVeteran25000 Experience Points
    Thumbs Up/Down
    Received: 570/36
    Given: 589/14

    Ignore User

    0 Not allowed! Not allowed!
    This is a us air operation now at aag. Performance does not matter. D+0 does.

  6. #26
    Registered User
    Join Date
    Jun 2017
    Company
    Envoy
    Base
    ORD DFW
    Job
    Pilot
    A/C Flown
    CRJ
    Posts
    64
    Level
    24
    Points: 1,779, Level: 24
    Overall activity: 0%
    Achievements:
    1 year registered1000 Experience Points
    Thumbs Up/Down
    Received: 2/0
    Given: 1/0

    Ignore User

    0 Not allowed! Not allowed!
    Quote Originally Posted by Cujo665 View Post
    Is the performance manual with required dispatch landing distance still in the cockpit library?

    i remember many times the TOLD cards said good to land, but the preflight landing distance charts to actually dispatch were quite a bit more.....

    if its tight operationally, I wonder if the dispatch performance charts will say no dispatch anything other than dry runway.
    might be worth a peek.
    The 175 has inflight landing tables and unfactored landing dist tables in the QRH, and the CRJ landing dist in the flip cards and dispatch landing dist in the perf book (differences in the landing distance required, and landing dist neede for dispatch +40%). Not sure about the 145.

    I was working a flight 4 or 5 years back DFW-COU, and we had COU had a 300' ceiling, winds out of the South at 13 kts, and braking action 1-1-1. The only way to get below the ceiling was to do the ILS landing North, with a 13 kt tailwind (above max tailwind limitation, on a short 1-1-1 runway. Not gonna happen! So we did the LOC BC to the South runway, went missed and diverted to SGF. The dispatcher tried to get us fuel and send us back to COU, while the conditions hadn't improved. We refused, as now that we've landed, the flight is no longer dispatchable under those conditions. Went to te hotel, and went to COU the next day after conditions improved. Glad we didn't make it in that night, as we learned later that night that it was so icey, the MDOT shut down all the highways, because 30-something vehicles slid off into ditches, and the airport was just as bad.
    The flip cards gave us barely enough landing perf to make a landing on the South runway, but about 400' short of the North runway. Once in flight, you can attempt it. However, to dispatch, you must be able to land and stop within 60% of the landing dist available. So once we were on the ground after diverting, we were dead in the water. Even though dispatch was supposed to run these calculations themselves, we double checked it, and said, "Nope!" Most CA's don't do this.

  7. #27
    Registered User
    Join Date
    Nov 2012
    Posts
    195
    Level
    47
    Points: 5,450, Level: 47
    Overall activity: 24.0%
    Achievements:
    Veteran5000 Experience Points
    Thumbs Up/Down
    Received: 8/7
    Given: 0/0

    Ignore User

    0 Not allowed! Not allowed!
    Quote Originally Posted by ardvark View Post
    This is a us air operation now at aag. Performance does not matter. D+0 does.
    That means when the Feds come back on the job, theyíll be crawling all over your Jumpseats and training as punishment.

  8. #28
    Registered User ardvark's Avatar
    Join Date
    Nov 2012
    Posts
    4,759
    Level
    99
    Points: 28,527, Level: 99
    Overall activity: 89.0%
    Achievements:
    OverdriveVeteran25000 Experience Points
    Thumbs Up/Down
    Received: 570/36
    Given: 589/14

    Ignore User

    0 Not allowed! Not allowed!
    Of course, dont punish management.

  9. #29
    Super Moderator Cujo665's Avatar
    Join Date
    Nov 2012
    Company
    A great one
    Base
    Home Based
    Job
    Pilot
    A/C Flown
    SF340, E145, B767
    Posts
    2,005
    Level
    100
    Points: 30,972, Level: 100
    Overall activity: 52.0%
    Achievements:
    OverdriveVeteran25000 Experience PointsSocial
    Thumbs Up/Down
    Received: 370/50
    Given: 75/9

    Ignore User

    0 Not allowed! Not allowed!
    Quote Originally Posted by Griff312 View Post
    The 175 has inflight landing tables and unfactored landing dist tables in the QRH, and the CRJ landing dist in the flip cards and dispatch landing dist in the perf book (differences in the landing distance required, and landing dist neede for dispatch +40%). Not sure about the 145.

    I was working a flight 4 or 5 years back DFW-COU, and we had COU had a 300' ceiling, winds out of the South at 13 kts, and braking action 1-1-1. The only way to get below the ceiling was to do the ILS landing North, with a 13 kt tailwind (above max tailwind limitation, on a short 1-1-1 runway. Not gonna happen! So we did the LOC BC to the South runway, went missed and diverted to SGF. The dispatcher tried to get us fuel and send us back to COU, while the conditions hadn't improved. We refused, as now that we've landed, the flight is no longer dispatchable under those conditions. Went to te hotel, and went to COU the next day after conditions improved. Glad we didn't make it in that night, as we learned later that night that it was so icey, the MDOT shut down all the highways, because 30-something vehicles slid off into ditches, and the airport was just as bad.
    The flip cards gave us barely enough landing perf to make a landing on the South runway, but about 400' short of the North runway. Once in flight, you can attempt it. However, to dispatch, you must be able to land and stop within 60% of the landing dist available. So once we were on the ground after diverting, we were dead in the water. Even though dispatch was supposed to run these calculations themselves, we double checked it, and said, "Nope!" Most CA's don't do this.
    Good job. Exactly the point I was making... nicely done.
    __________________________________________________ __

  10. #30
    Registered User
    Join Date
    Nov 2012
    Posts
    2,615
    Level
    68
    Points: 10,475, Level: 68
    Overall activity: 99.9%
    Achievements:
    VeteranOverdrive10000 Experience Points
    Thumbs Up/Down
    Received: 209/18
    Given: 66/145

    Ignore User

    0 Not allowed! Not allowed!
    Anyone have any info on the near aerial fireball between Envoy and AA east of O’hare Yesterday ?

  11. #31
    Registered User
    Join Date
    Nov 2012
    Posts
    541
    Level
    62
    Points: 8,722, Level: 62
    Overall activity: 0%
    Achievements:
    VeteranOverdrive5000 Experience Points
    Thumbs Up/Down
    Received: 18/0
    Given: 6/1

    Ignore User

    0 Not allowed! Not allowed!
    All I heard about it was this link a friend sent this morning.
    https://abc7chicago.com/faa-investig...ohare/5163663/

  12. #32
    Registered User
    Join Date
    Jul 2018
    Posts
    19
    Level
    12
    Points: 634, Level: 12
    Overall activity: 4.0%
    Achievements:
    3 months registered500 Experience Points
    Thumbs Up/Down
    Received: 0/0
    Given: 0/0

    Ignore User

    0 Not allowed! Not allowed!
    Usual 140 heading and put 040 instead. But hey going to BHM southbound so that makes sense of of RW9. New FO. Senior CA. Again!

  13. #33
    Registered User
    Join Date
    Nov 2012
    Posts
    497
    Level
    65
    Points: 9,624, Level: 65
    Overall activity: 24.0%
    Achievements:
    Veteran5000 Experience Points
    Thumbs Up/Down
    Received: 71/17
    Given: 71/4

    Ignore User

    0 Not allowed! Not allowed!
    Quote Originally Posted by Oldrebel View Post
    Usual 140 heading and put 040 instead. But hey going to BHM southbound so that makes sense of of RW9. New FO. Senior CA. Again!
    That CA was not that senior

  14. #34
    Registered User
    Join Date
    Jul 2018
    Posts
    19
    Level
    12
    Points: 634, Level: 12
    Overall activity: 4.0%
    Achievements:
    3 months registered500 Experience Points
    Thumbs Up/Down
    Received: 0/0
    Given: 0/0

    Ignore User

    0 Not allowed! Not allowed!
    Rw10l

  15. #35
    Registered User
    Join Date
    Nov 2012
    Posts
    2,615
    Level
    68
    Points: 10,475, Level: 68
    Overall activity: 99.9%
    Achievements:
    VeteranOverdrive10000 Experience Points
    Thumbs Up/Down
    Received: 209/18
    Given: 66/145

    Ignore User

    0 Not allowed! Not allowed!
    Quote Originally Posted by Oldrebel View Post
    Usual 140 heading and put 040 instead. But hey going to BHM southbound so that makes sense of of RW9. New FO. Senior CA. Again!
    So youíre saying they both knew of a 140 heading and just because 1 pilot bugged the wrong heading, the other just followed it ?

    Hmmm......

  16. #36
    Registered User
    Join Date
    Jul 2018
    Posts
    19
    Level
    12
    Points: 634, Level: 12
    Overall activity: 4.0%
    Achievements:
    3 months registered500 Experience Points
    Thumbs Up/Down
    Received: 0/0
    Given: 0/0

    Ignore User

    0 Not allowed! Not allowed!
    Just guessing. Or heading bug was not set and positive rate select heading was called. But anyway, turn left(north) instead of right(south). You explain.

  17. #37
    Registered User
    Join Date
    Nov 2012
    Posts
    2,615
    Level
    68
    Points: 10,475, Level: 68
    Overall activity: 99.9%
    Achievements:
    VeteranOverdrive10000 Experience Points
    Thumbs Up/Down
    Received: 209/18
    Given: 66/145

    Ignore User

    0 Not allowed! Not allowed!
    Quote Originally Posted by Oldrebel View Post
    Just guessing. Or heading bug was not set and positive rate select heading was called. But anyway, turn left(north) instead of right(south). You explain.
    Few firm answers and mostly unanswered questions, but that seems to be the common theme of most things AAG......at least for me anyway. Letís hope this incident wasnít the proverbial canary in the coal mine regarding some of things being said about Envoy, because any type of catastrophe would be devastating to an already financially questionable entity (AAG) who IMO will need virtually prefect economic weather and strong, sustained tailwinds to make its destination with the route and fuel load chosen.
    Last edited by Beagleboy; 03-02-2019 at 05:46 PM.

  18. #38
    Registered User NoOtPilot's Avatar
    Join Date
    Nov 2012
    Posts
    1,879
    Level
    100
    Points: 66,520, Level: 100
    Overall activity: 99.7%
    Achievements:
    OverdriveSocialVeteran50000 Experience Points
    Awards:
    DownloadsPosting Award
    Thumbs Up/Down
    Received: 137/37
    Given: 0/0

    Ignore User

    0 Not allowed! Not allowed!
    Is it spelled Kolgan or Colgan...
    Appears lately, the Flow has a higher priority than safety.

    ďJust a matter of timeĒ
    Last edited by NoOtPilot; 03-02-2019 at 11:23 PM.

  19. #39
    Registered User
    Join Date
    Nov 2012
    Posts
    541
    Level
    62
    Points: 8,722, Level: 62
    Overall activity: 0%
    Achievements:
    VeteranOverdrive5000 Experience Points
    Thumbs Up/Down
    Received: 18/0
    Given: 6/1

    Ignore User

    0 Not allowed! Not allowed!
    I hate to wish Iíll upon others, but if it DOES happen, hopefully itíll be at another non wholly owned carrier.
    I do tend to agree that if the industry continues down its current path, itís only a matter of time before thereís another Colgan type accident.
    ďIncidentsĒ are the on the rise at every carrier.
    Last edited by Sirsnacksalot; 03-03-2019 at 05:02 AM.

  20. #40
    Super Moderator Cujo665's Avatar
    Join Date
    Nov 2012
    Company
    A great one
    Base
    Home Based
    Job
    Pilot
    A/C Flown
    SF340, E145, B767
    Posts
    2,005
    Level
    100
    Points: 30,972, Level: 100
    Overall activity: 52.0%
    Achievements:
    OverdriveVeteran25000 Experience PointsSocial
    Thumbs Up/Down
    Received: 370/50
    Given: 75/9

    Ignore User

    0 Not allowed! Not allowed!
    Quote Originally Posted by Sirsnacksalot View Post
    I hate to wish I’ll upon others, but if it DOES happen, hopefully it’ll be at another non wholly owned carrier.
    I do tend to agree that if the industry continues down its current path, it’s only a matter of time before there’s another Colgan type accident.
    “Incidents” are the on the rise at every carrier.
    Interesting. The FO's are more experienced now than in the late 2000's and early teens..... so what has changed? Low TT time PIC's upgrading at 2500 TT and 1,000 part 121 ? So, a relatively low time CA and a low time FO? Company pressure to do stupid things to increase completion factors? What's changed?
    __________________________________________________ __

Thread Information

Users Browsing this Thread

There are currently 1 users browsing this thread. (0 members and 1 guests)

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •