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    Expecting 75 new hires in the 11 December Class

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    Sure wish we had the 50% language.......

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    Quote Originally Posted by wiz5422 View Post
    Sure wish we had the 50% language.......
    Perhaps the MEC will negotiate a new deal for pilots willing to go above and beyond the call of duty by joining Envoy’s New-Hire P.R. (Pilot Relations) Dept. ? Say......for every pilot recruited by another pilot, one month taken off your projected flow date. It would require a second separate seniority list for flow to AA, but that shouldn’t be a problem as the MEC has already nullified Envoy Pilot seniority with the Cadet program and the restrictions on lateral bidding.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jdflyer View Post
    Expecting 75 new hires in the 11 December Class
    My source in recruitment says 50. 29 will be envoy flows.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wiz5422 View Post
    Sure wish we had the 50% language.......
    Wouldn't honor it anyway just like the last few years

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jdflyer View Post
    Expecting 75 new hires in the 11 December Class
    If it's 75, where will class be held? Mine was 50 and the G auditorium was near capacity (maybe only a few seats left).

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    If 50 from envoy, then we are losing over 80 pilots in just one month. Ouch!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by NoOtPilot View Post
    If 50 from envoy, then we are losing over 80 pilots in just one month. Ouch!!!
    Ha ha.....won't be 50. Just the minimum 29 that management has to flow.

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    My source says 70+, and also this will be the last class of the year.

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    There are 30 Envoy flows in the 12/11 class. Not sure what the total class size is.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sloosky View Post
    There are 30 Envoy flows in the 12/11 class. Not sure what the total class size is.
    Total class size is 50. Correct, 30 flows.

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    Informed by the fleet manager for the airbus program. He’s trying to get ready for the additional influx. Just passing along the info.

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    Ramping up to try and get at least a little bit ahead of next Summers inevitable staffing disaster ?

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    They will never get ahead unless they do schedule reduction and have everyone fly 18 days a month.

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    They will never get ahead unless they do schedule reduction and have everyone fly 18 days a month.
    Already done or at least well on the way.

    Supposedly, a significant schedule reduction has or is about to occur and most pilots are flying near that metric. In fact, LARGE numbers of pilots at AA fly Premium (150%), Make Up (straight pay) and “OG” (Over Guarantee for reserves) just so AA can even fly their schedule now. If those pilots stopped this practice, AA’s ops would collapse overnight and it would be an instantaneous catastrophe. Regular reserves in many statuses are bent over 120 degrees most reserve days and are worked to near maximum MMAX (Monthly Max). They’ve gotten cotton mouth from all the carpet fibers and their anuses are swollen, sore and tattered. It’s the “new” AA where QWL and a “contract” are subjective at the whims of management and scheduling. Envoy flows will feel right at home upon transition.

    When it comes to AA’s scheduling ops, pilot QWL and contractual respect, just like Envoy, “The Emperor has no clothes”.
    Last edited by Beagleboy; 11-30-2018 at 08:22 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Beagleboy View Post
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    Already done or at least well on the way.

    Supposedly, a significant schedule reduction has or is about to occur and most pilots are flying near that metric. In fact, LARGE numbers of pilots at AA fly Premium (150%), Make Up (straight pay) and “OG” (Over Guarantee for reserves) just so AA can even fly their schedule now. If those pilots stopped this practice, AA’s ops would collapse overnight and it would be an instantaneous catastrophe. Regular reserves in many statuses are bent over 120 degrees most reserve days and are worked to near maximum MMAX (Monthly Max). They’ve gotten cotton mouth from all the carpet fibers and their anuses are swollen, sore and tattered. It’s the “new” AA where QWL and a “contract” are subjective at the whims of management and scheduling. Envoy flows will feel right at home upon transition.

    When it comes to AA’s scheduling ops, pilot QWL and contractual respect, just like Envoy, “The Emperor has no clothes”.
    (If those pilots stopped this practice, AA’s ops would collapse overnight and it would be an instantaneous catastrophe.)


    Too many regional pilots at AA, they don’t have the guts to stand in unity.
    As a matter of fact, APA now wants to help the company...sounds familiar?

    “Pilot union says it wants to help reduce delays on American“

    ~APA~
    November 19, 2018
    Last edited by NoOtPilot; 11-30-2018 at 09:46 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NoOtPilot View Post
    (If those pilots stopped this practice, AA’s ops would collapse overnight and it would be an instantaneous catastrophe.)


    Too many regional pilots at AA, they don’t have the guts to stand in unity.
    As a matter of fact, APA now wants to help the company...sounds familiar?

    “Pilot union says it wants to help reduce delays on American“

    ~APA~
    November 19, 2018
    APA has been carrying AA management’s water for years. 2nd biggest string of pack mules in the industry behind Envoy ALPA. AA pilots will get what Parker and Isom are willing to give them next contract. Flows are at the bottom of that hill and we all know what rolls downhill. Yes, it’s a definite move up from Envoy, but AA will never be Delta or United for pilots, rather more in line with Spirit, Jet Blue and Allegiant. The jets are shiny, but boy is the debt (and the payments) big.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Beagleboy View Post
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    Already done or at least well on the way.

    Supposedly, a significant schedule reduction has or is about to occur and most pilots are flying near that metric. In fact, LARGE numbers of pilots at AA fly Premium (150%), Make Up (straight pay) and “OG” (Over Guarantee for reserves) just so AA can even fly their schedule now. If those pilots stopped this practice, AA’s ops would collapse overnight and it would be an instantaneous catastrophe. Regular reserves in many statuses are bent over 120 degrees most reserve days and are worked to near maximum MMAX (Monthly Max). They’ve gotten cotton mouth from all the carpet fibers and their anuses are swollen, sore and tattered. It’s the “new” AA where QWL and a “contract” are subjective at the whims of management and scheduling. Envoy flows will feel right at home upon transition.

    When it comes to AA’s scheduling ops, pilot QWL and contractual respect, just like Envoy, “The Emperor has no clothes”.

    I was willing to get bent over last month on reserve but flew one two day trip THE WHOLE MONTH while wasting away in a crash pad.

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    Quote Originally Posted by xpanterica View Post
    I was willing to get bent over last month on reserve but flew one two day trip THE WHOLE MONTH while wasting away in a crash pad.
    Not the norm from multiple pilot’s reports, but it sounds as though the end result was the same. Instead of flying close to gauarantee for no extra pay and away from home on all but your minimum guaranteed days off, you sat in a crash pad for no extra pay away from home on all but your minimum guaranteed days off. The good news is you avoided the now common reassignments reportedly wreaking havoc among many pilots. The bad news is it’s unlikely any contractual improvements will be coming anytime soon to change the new AA atmosphere for pilots.

    It seems many pilots are willing to get bent over, so why change what is working ? Maybe that is why Envoy is the way it is, that being getting pilots used to an atmosphere where they actually want to get bent over. That way, when they get to AA, they’ll be conditioned to it.
    Last edited by Beagleboy; 12-03-2018 at 02:19 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ardvark View Post
    They will never get ahead unless they do schedule reduction and have everyone fly 18 days a month.
    I was told they can't fly 18 days due to new rig. Only as premium.

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