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    Quote Originally Posted by Dacuj View Post
    Well you heard wrong. New agreement is 29 per month. Get your facts straight.
    I gave no facts only asked for them. You failed to deliver. Anyone have specific AA Envoy flow stats so far this year and projected numbers for remainder ? I hear it’s not 29/month.

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    Is American hiring 60 in December?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dacuj View Post
    Only helps the flow you idiot. We are growing and the more headcount we have just cushions the flow and also provides the possibility of it increasing more in the future. Before you start your negative diatribe, it has already increased once. Recently. By 48 per year.
    Facts: We are only hiring as many as we are losing due to flow and attrition to OA. And BTW the manager of all instructors came from MESA, and the recruitment manager came from another regional airline. We are not even growing, we are surviving.
    ~EHQ~

    And you are correct, if we donít recruit the company will have no other option than to stop the flow. We have more planes coming and those planes WILL be staffed one way or another.
    The flow is becoming nothing more than a pyramid game, and as usual, somebody will get stuck.
    Last edited by NoOtPilot; 09-30-2018 at 09:10 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Robsquatch View Post
    Is American hiring 60 in December?
    Yep. They are spooling up for that plus there will be December classes this year.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NoOtPilot View Post
    Facts: We are only hiring as many as we are losing due to flow and attrition to OA. And BTW the manager of all instructors came from MESA, and the recruitment manager came from another regional airline. We are not even growing, we are surviving.
    ~EHQ~

    And you are correct, if we don’t recruit the company will have no option, than stop the flow. We have more planes coming, and those planes WILL be staffed.
    Yet more stuff you are spouting off that you have no idea about.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dacuj View Post
    Yet more stuff you are spouting off that you have no idea about.
    Only facts, and I know you know, I am telling the truth.
    Last edited by NoOtPilot; 09-30-2018 at 09:15 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NoOtPilot View Post
    Only facts, and I know you know, I am telling the truth.
    What's going down in 2021?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dacuj View Post
    Yet more stuff you are spouting off that you have no idea about.
    Care to post some actual numbers like how many active pilots were on the list as of January 1 this year vs. today?
    Also, what NoOt said about those positions at headquarters is true.

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    Quote Originally Posted by eaglepilot View Post
    If only 60 new hires per month. If they take 59, you don't get 29 flows.
    This is incorrect - so long as 57 or more pilots are hired at AA, Envoy gets 29 for the month. (50% rounded up to the nearest pilot). But even if they hire 59+ we will only get 29.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sloosky View Post
    What's going down in 2021?
    He has been, for a while, proclaiming of some drastic event taking place in 2021 at AAG, but has not once publicly announced what that event is or why it will happen. I would like for Nostradamus, here, to say what it is rather than this attempt at fear mongering.

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    Quote Originally Posted by copycopy View Post
    He has been, for a while, proclaiming of some drastic event taking place in 2021 at AAG, but has not once publicly announced what that event is or why it will happen. I would like for Nostradamus, here, to say what it is rather than this attempt at fear mongering.
    Trust me it's nothing. He's an idiot. Just makes him feel like people here are depending on him for info.

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    Quote Originally Posted by copycopy View Post
    This is incorrect - so long as 57 or more pilots are hired at AA, Envoy gets 29 for the month. (50% rounded up to the nearest pilot). But even if they hire 59+ we will only get 29.
    Ding ding ding. We have a winner. Someone earlier was trying to point out that 29/month wasn't FACT. Indeed, it is FACT.

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    I just want to be very clear with your response. Are you saying that American will indeed hire 60 total guys in December? Your original response could be misunderstood

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sloosky View Post
    What's going down in 2021?
    Trust me, as soon as AAG unblock that information, I will posted here, but for now, keep building time and updating your apps, is a very honest advice. Like Dacuj said, we have to cushion the flow, at whatever cost🤥, is the only way to flow. We have to convince new people to come. But be careful if you leave Envoy and you owe bonus money, they are going to come after you with full force, and collect their money, is going to become a real debt. And a good score on your credit report, goes a long way!
    Last edited by NoOtPilot; 10-01-2018 at 09:03 AM.

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    This thread is about the Skywest ta being a hundred times better than what we have. Not flow you idiots. I am counting the minutes to get out of here. All hope is gone

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    Notice The Stooge wonít respind to my post.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dacuj View Post
    Ding ding ding. We have a winner. Someone earlier was trying to point out that 29/month wasn't FACT. Indeed, it is FACT.
    I was recently informed AA accepted 171 Envoy flows through July or just under 25/month. It was from a reasonably reliable source. I understand the 29 agreement (+ a single burst of 9 pilots to be added at some undetermined point), but that was back in May hence my QUESTION as to the issue, NOT a claim of fact as to what is occurring NOW. Fine, let's go with 29/month.......................BUT, I now hear AA will take MORE than 60/month meaning Envoy pilots future potential AA seniority will be increasingly diluted as more outside pilots are hired. On that note, if Envoy was indeed humming like a well-oiled machine, you'd think it would be Envoy pilots who would be getting some of those additional AA slots.

    After all, getting to the largest LCC ranked no better than 6th in pilot compensation and QWL (and arguably lower in many metrics) IS the only real reason to come to Envoy in the first place as you've been trumpeting, yes ?

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    Well your source is wrong. Stop coming on here shooting blanks just to try and rile everybody up. How would you know how many have flowed anyway? Answer you don't.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DolphinsFan View Post
    Well your source is wrong. Stop coming on here shooting blanks just to try and rile everybody up. How would you know how many have flowed anyway? Answer you don't.
    So again (for a change), why don't you educate me on exactly how many pilots DID flow to AA thru July and how many since (through Sept.). You are the one "shooting blanks" here. So BMOC...................ANTE UP !

    Accurate data for the specific info requested, please.

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    And how many will flow in December

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