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    Its been more than a month since the last one? When is the next one?

    Also feels like we've had the same seniority numbers in decs for a while too.

    I realize nether of these things means anything...selection aint flowing and seniority number in decs is always behind.

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    Hope they skip a selection

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    Not looking good when the selections are slowing and AA is ramping up hiring.

    Lost seniority anyone?

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    Its not lost unless the actual flow per month is less than the 29, plus that true up. Again selection means very little. But pissing in the pool with the others is a warm feeling

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    Standby as the Towne Criers formulate a response.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nygiants View Post
    Its not lost unless the actual flow per month is less than the 29, plus that true up. Again selection means very little. But pissing in the pool with the others is a warm feeling
    This. Every few months, everyone gets all worked up about the selection. Every time that the company selects a big number of 30 something or greater, you get Dacuj and co. getting all excited trying to convince us that we're flowing way above the minimum. Then you have the times that they only select a handful of guys and people start grabbing their torches and pitch forks and start the outcry about the flow stopping. Meanwhile in reality, the flow keeps scooting along. Huge selection or small selection, doesn't matter.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sloosky View Post
    This. Every few months, everyone gets all worked up about the selection. Every time that the company selects a big number of 30 something or greater, you get Dacuj and co. getting all excited trying to convince us that we're flowing way above the minimum. Then you have the times that they only select a handful of guys and people start grabbing their torches and pitch forks and start the outcry about the flow stopping. Meanwhile in reality, the flow keeps scooting along. Huge selection or small selection, doesn't matter.
    You've got this part right. As you all know, the flow has increased to 29 per month minimum. Yep, those numbers are met each and every month. Once again, many of you are making mountains out of molehills. Also, if you haven't had time to take a look at AA's mandatory retirement list, you need to check it out. It's breathtaking. Recession or any other event that might seemingly cause airlines to pause hiring ain't happening here. With the mandatory retirements, AA is totally insulated from a recession or other event. The flow will motor along at full speed for years.

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    Totally insulated? Hahahahha no.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dacuj View Post
    Recession or any other event that might seemingly cause airlines to pause hiring ain't happening here. With the mandatory retirements, AA is totally insulated from a recession or other event. The flow will motor along at full speed for years.
    http://youtu.be/zJ6VT7ciR1o

    BTW..........in case you haven't noticed (obviously you do not want OTHERS to notice), the flow isn't "motoring along at full speed" now.
    Last edited by Beagleboy; 09-04-2018 at 01:52 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dacuj View Post
    You've got this part right. As you all know, the flow has increased to 29 per month minimum. Yep, those numbers are met each and every month. Once again, many of you are making mountains out of molehills. Also, if you haven't had time to take a look at AA's mandatory retirement list, you need to check it out. It's breathtaking. Recession or any other event that might seemingly cause airlines to pause hiring ain't happening here. With the mandatory retirements, AA is totally insulated from a recession or other event. The flow will motor along at full speed for years.
    ďif you haven't had time to take a look at AA's mandatory retirement list, you need to check it out.Ē Dacuj and company are magicians. They will always use (the retirements) as a misdirection.

    Misdirection is a form of deception in which the attention of an audience is focused on one thing in order to distract its attention from another. Managing the audience's attention is the aim of all theater; it is the foremost requirement of theatrical magic. Whether the magic is of a "pocket trick" variety, or, a large stage production, misdirection is the central secret of all magic.
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    They just put pilots in the October 2nd class. Still have about 20 selected that they can put in October. Guessing they'll select 20 more on Friday for November classes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by eaglepilot View Post
    They just put pilots in the October 2nd class. Still have about 20 selected that they can put in October. Guessing they'll select 20 more on Friday for November classes.
    Nailed it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nygiants View Post
    Its not lost unless the actual flow per month is less than the 29, plus that true up. Again selection means very little. But pissing in the pool with the others is a warm feeling
    Depends on what you mean here. AA hiring more than 58 in a month means a loss of ďrelativeĒ AA seniority for Envoy pilots when considering the 50% rule. Envoy pilots are actually somewhat better off in the big scheme with 58 or fewer hired per month at AA.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dacuj View Post
    You've got this part right. As you all know, the flow has increased to 29 per month minimum. Yep, those numbers are met each and every month. Once again, many of you are making mountains out of molehills. Also, if you haven't had time to take a look at AA's mandatory retirement list, you need to check it out. It's breathtaking. Recession or any other event that might seemingly cause airlines to pause hiring ain't happening here. With the mandatory retirements, AA is totally insulated from a recession or other event. The flow will motor along at full speed for years.
    Actually... 29 is not the minimum. Itís 29 OR 50% of AAs monthly hiring, whichever is less. Weíve had a few months under 29 this summer.

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    Quote Originally Posted by check_six View Post
    Depends on what you mean here. AA hiring more than 58 in a month means a loss of “relative” AA seniority for Envoy pilots when considering the 50% rule. Envoy pilots are actually somewhat better off in the big scheme with 58 or fewer hired per month at AA.
    You know that's not how the projections are calculated. Seriously dude, which side are you on anyway? It's 29 or 50% of monthly hiring. So, we always benefit when there are larger classes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dacuj View Post
    You know that's not how the projections are calculated. Seriously dude, which side are you on anyway? It's 29 or 50% of monthly hiring. So, we always benefit when there are larger classes.
    Unless they run two classes of 30 or more. Then we get less than 50%

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dacuj View Post
    You know that's not how the projections are calculated. Seriously dude, which side are you on anyway? It's 29 or 50% of monthly hiring. So, we always benefit when there are larger classes.
    Iím not on a side. I try to provide accurate information. It is accurate to say that Envoy pilots lose relative seniority at AA in any month AA hires more than 58 pilots.

    58 or fewer AA hires = Envoy pilots get 50%
    29 flows out of 80 AA hires = Envoy pilots get 36.25%

    Itís important to remember that projected time to AA is important, but so is the number of people ahead of you when you get there (and especially the number of younger people ahead of you).

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    Quote Originally Posted by check_six View Post
    Iím not on a side. I try to provide accurate information. It is accurate to say that Envoy pilots lose relative seniority at AA in any month AA hires more than 58 pilots.

    58 or fewer AA hires = Envoy pilots get 50%
    29 flows out of 80 AA hires = Envoy pilots get 36.25%

    Itís important to remember that projected time to AA is important, but so is the number of people ahead of you when you get there (and especially the number of younger people ahead of you).
    This is true. Seems like delta and united have hired a huge number of people, and a lot of them are young. AA being behind the ball on hiring, and a lot being older flows is actually a positive for right now.

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