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    ...yall like that "NoOtpilot" click bait title?

    Interesting they say this is making business travel "better" for employees when they actually made it worse.



    Previously, if listed for an A1/A3 DH with a seat assignment, you could pick any coach seat, even MCE, as far back as when the PNR was made (the further out of course, the better the odds).



    Now they have made it "better" for us by only allowing it 4 hours prior. Hope yall enjoy that middle seat on a 737Max....

    I am guessing it was never intended to be like that but for a few years, it was nice getting those good seats. But leaving it to the 4 hour time mark, anyone who would have wanted an MCE (or just better seat) would have already paid for it. Why let us take up a seat they can make up to $100 more on.



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    Quote Originally Posted by snippercr View Post
    ...yall like that "NoOtpilot" click bait title?

    Interesting they say this is making business travel "better" for employees when they actually made it worse.



    Previously, if listed for an A1/A3 DH with a seat assignment, you could pick any coach seat, even MCE, as far back as when the PNR was made (the further out of course, the better the odds).



    Now they have made it "better" for us by only allowing it 4 hours prior. Hope yall enjoy that middle seat on a 737Max....

    I am guessing it was never intended to be like that but for a few years, it was nice getting those good seats. But leaving it to the 4 hour time mark, anyone who would have wanted an MCE (or just better seat) would have already paid for it. Why let us take up a seat they can make up to $100 more on.



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    UAL pilots get a window or aisle seat when deadheading. If none are available and they must be assigned a middle seat, they get 1/2 hour pay credit at their hourly rate. They are prohibited from deliberately assigning themselves a middle seat. That's what true legacy airlines still do for their pilots. LCC's like AA ?

    ............well, I guess not so much.

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    Just pick a window or aisle in regular coach and, 4 hours prior, check again. Stop being such a diva.

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    Quote Originally Posted by eaglepilot View Post
    Just pick a window or aisle in regular coach and, 4 hours prior, check again. Stop being such a diva.
    Sounds like a "Jerry Glass" response during contract negotiations or a management lackey's response when demanding contractual provisions agreed upon be honored.

    It's referred to as "managing expectations" and includes convincing others their needs and wants are unreasonable.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Beagleboy View Post
    UAL pilots get a window or aisle seat when deadheading. If none are available and they must be assigned a middle seat, they get 1/2 hour pay credit at their hourly rate. They are prohibited from deliberately assigning themselves a middle seat. That's what true legacy airlines still do for their pilots. LCC's like AA ?

    ............well, I guess not so much.
    We’re the same too. They book us window or aisle and we can put a standing preference in the system for which we want them to book us first. On international over 3 hours it’s business class.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cujo665 View Post
    We’re the same too. They book us window or aisle and we can put a standing preference in the system for which we want them to book us first. On international over 3 hours it’s business class.
    It’s nice to be valued, yes ?

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    Friendly reminder that pilots should assess their fitness for duty before accepting any flight assignment.

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    At AA, the system will always assign an aisle or window seat for a DH. Soooo....

    The same as UA.

    In five years at AA, Iíve never NOT gotten an aisle or window. Not only that, if you deadhead to Hawaii, you sit in Business.

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    Booked A travel for a few days out and was able to pick a seat.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sirsnacksalot View Post
    Booked A travel for a few days out and was able to pick a seat.
    Were you able to pick a MCE seat such as an exit row? I have a DH in a few days but the AA seat map has everything blocked out but the RES seat map shows all the exit rows open. Like I said in the OP, previously if a seat was open, you could pick it. Minor thing, I know, but a QOL thing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cujo665 View Post
    We’re the same too. They book us window or aisle and we can put a standing preference in the system for which we want them to book us first. On international over 3 hours it’s business class.
    It should have been all international flights like Atlas has in their CBA, also a big miss is the business wording, my understanding is the wording in your CBA is "business class" not "business or better" like Atlas. What is used to decided what counts as business class?

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    While on the subject, does the new DH LOA allow a DH at the start of a trip to be changed? For example, I DH from ORD to DFW to start my next trip. Instead of commuting to ORD to then DH to DFW, can I A pass myself straight to DFW from home? Or can I only D2 myself and call for a sign in leg, like in the past? I know it allows you to change your DH at the end of a trip, but not sure about the beginning. I'm not at a computer, so I can't look at the contract right now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 450knotOffice View Post
    At AA, the system will always assign an aisle or window seat for a DH. Soooo....

    The same as UA.

    In five years at AA, I’ve never NOT gotten an aisle or window. Not only that, if you deadhead to Hawaii, you sit in Business.
    I’ve gotten middle seats more times then I can remember. But you miss a critical distinction. MANY times deadheads are short notice situations and there ARE no aisle or window seats. In that situation at UAL, you get COMPENSATED for that. At AA ?

    You get nothing and like it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by snippercr View Post
    Were you able to pick a MCE seat such as an exit row? I have a DH in a few days but the AA seat map has everything blocked out but the RES seat map shows all the exit rows open. Like I said in the OP, previously if a seat was open, you could pick it. Minor thing, I know, but a QOL thing.
    Death by a thousand cuts. If you’re former Envoy, that was your home and so now many accept their new house being just like their old one and THAT is a major reason why future flows at AA will themselves get nothing and like it. Why ?

    Because they LIKE nothing and as demonstrated here by some, even DEFEND nothing. That’s what happens after years and even decades of having your mind blended to the point of embracing The Stockholm Syndrome.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gonzo View Post
    It should have been all international flights like Atlas has in their CBA, also a big miss is the business wording, my understanding is the wording in your CBA is "business class" not "business or better" like Atlas. What is used to decided what counts as business class?
    Yup. AA pilots are now being cleaned by non-scheduled carriers pilots a fraction of their size to say nothing of what the other LCC’s pilots will get (and already HAVE gotten) that AA pilots won’t get in the future.

    Can you say “Walmart” ?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Beagleboy View Post
    It’s nice to be valued, yes ?
    that's an understatement....
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    Quote Originally Posted by gonzo View Post
    It should have been all international flights like Atlas has in their CBA, also a big miss is the business wording, my understanding is the wording in your CBA is "business class" not "business or better" like Atlas. What is used to decided what counts as business class?
    Yep, it's not perfect.
    There have been no issues at all from Travel thus far. Guys are getting business class (equivalent of first on domestic - the big seats, not beds)
    Pilots have the option to take coach for extra pay of up to $750 for the leg also.
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    I just found out Alaska/virgin has to get first class deadhead seats. mandatory first class even if the bump a revenue pax off.
    Last edited by Pinkvisual; 07-25-2018 at 12:44 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pinkvisual View Post
    I just found out Alaska/virgin has to get first class deadhead seats. mandatory first class even if the bump a revenue pax off.
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