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    "Why fewer than 29?"
    Yes, we understand that 29 did not flow to AA in June (the number above is 25). We are still limited by AA's class sizes. So although we have this agreement, we are only going to flow 29 if AA's class size is at least 58 pilots (50%).
    I always tell the truth. Even when I lie.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NoOtPilot View Post
    "Why fewer than 29?"
    Yes, we understand that 29 did not flow to AA in June (the number above is 25). We are still limited by AA's class sizes. So although we have this agreement, we are only going to flow 29 if AA's class size is at least 58 pilots (50%).

    Told ya it was a bad deal. They can run two classes (or more) a month. The flow language is per month, instead of 1/2 of each class. Three classes of 40 each and instead of having rights to 60 slots that month.... Envoy sends 29. They’ve convoluted the language badly, and it was written poorly to begin with.

    Retirements are only only going to pick up. Hiring is only going to pick up... yet, the 50% of each new hire class is now only 29 per month.

    all because the ALPA Lawyers assured the MEC the language was sufficient because they had the detailed notes and passes showing clearly the actual intent. 3 years later when it comes to a head, the lawyers suddenly can’t find their notes. What a joke.
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    Rumor is only 20 flowing in August.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NoOtPilot View Post
    "Why fewer than 29?"
    Yes, we understand that 29 did not flow to AA in June (the number above is 25). We are still limited by AA's class sizes. So although we have this agreement, we are only going to flow 29 if AA's class size is at least 58 pilots (50%).
    How is this a surprise?

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    Quote Originally Posted by mdot View Post
    How is this a surprise?
    Exactly
    #WKTWH

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    Quote Originally Posted by NoOtPilot View Post
    "Why fewer than 29?"
    Yes, we understand that 29 did not flow to AA in June (the number above is 25). We are still limited by AA's class sizes. So although we have this agreement, we are only going to flow 29 if AA's class size is at least 58 pilots (50%).
    Only a surprise to those pilots too lazy to read the new LOA.

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    Quote Originally Posted by eaglepilot View Post
    Only a surprise to those pilots too lazy to read the new LOA.
    Told you, pilots donít read. Surprise #3 by November. Hope you were hire before Ď06.

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    I was here when 15-01 was being negotiated (I voted no on that one as well, btw), but I always read that as 50% but the company could limit to 25, and there were no metrics dictating that. I was expecting the 25/mo to be the way it went, and thatís what I remember from comms back in the day. Personally, I think thatís how the grievances would have ended up and everybody would then be complaining that the union didnít settle for any gains at all. Anyways, thatís just my thought.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wiz5422 View Post
    Rumor is only 20 flowing in August.
    Pretty sure thereís 21 just in the first classÖ So that would mean zero in the second class? Also, youíre saying AA is only going to hire 40 total in August?

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    Quote Originally Posted by NoOtPilot View Post
    Told you, pilots don’t read. Surprise #3 by November. Hope you were hire before ‘06.
    What do you mean by this? All the '06 hires have already flowed. '07 hires are currently flowing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cujo665 View Post
    Told ya it was a bad deal. They can run two classes (or more) a month. The flow language is per month, instead of 1/2 of each class. Three classes of 40 each and instead of having rights to 60 slots that month.... Envoy sends 29. They’ve convoluted the language badly, and it was written poorly to begin with.

    Retirements are only only going to pick up. Hiring is only going to pick up... yet, the 50% of each new hire class is now only 29 per month.

    all because the ALPA Lawyers assured the MEC the language was sufficient because they had the detailed notes and passes showing clearly the actual intent. 3 years later when it comes to a head, the lawyers suddenly can’t find their notes. What a joke.
    Some good points, albeit unpleasant for a few here to tolerate.

    Insurance policies sometimes are thought to mean more then the language promises. How many people actually read the fine print of their insurance policies ? Ever read your Auto Insurance ? A common "Bodily Injury" limit is $250,000 per person. A bad accident with initial treatment (including on-scene and transportation hopefully not by helicopter), hospital stay, rehab, loss of pay, pain/suffering, etc. can easily top that nowadays. Throw in burns and/or intensive care and that can disappear in a few weeks. If it will cost more then that and you are liable, your insurance company writes them a check for the $250K and walks. The victims lawyers then sift through your assets and clean you out for the difference. Don't have enough ? A lien on your house and/or garnishment of wages could be in play. How about Renters Insurance ? It's required by many attached dwelling rental agreements nowadays. Should for some fault on your part a fire start in your unit that damages adjacent units, your policy might cover as little as $500. Get your checkbook ready.............maybe all your savings.

    Besides, just whose interest has the "flow-thru" been written for anyway's.....the pilots or the Insurance company ? If you DID read the language of the policy, the answer is in black and white. If you haven't read it (I'll bet most fall into that category, ESPECIALLY the new-hires), all you need to do is review history of how it has historically been run and even how it's being run now. If you've done neither assuming the policy is what you want or hope it to be ?

    Well..................can you say "29 is divine" ?
    Last edited by Beagleboy; 07-11-2018 at 11:16 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NoOtPilot View Post
    Told you, pilots donít read. Surprise #3 by November. Hope you were hire before Ď06.
    Everyone hired before 06 has already been offered flow. Weíre mid 2007 right now. Wtf are you even talking about.

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