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    Wow! This is unbelievable, even for Envoy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by v1rotate View Post
    Aaah yes, very good. Wasn't following that thread. Still looking For that HI6. I had it somewhere. i hope it's true the FAA is involved.
    I heard multiple people have contacted multiple people at the FAA. One Fed in Chicago said their office has been "watching" CM ever since his email telling us to stop writing up a plane with binding flight controls cause it's been fixed 6 times. Ironically, the only times it passed FCFs was when CM did them. I flew the plane a week after that email. Declared an emergency going in to MSP for flight control issues (the ailerons would "pop" turning left and would kick the AP off). Plane sat up there for 2 days till CM could come get it. Even MOC on the phone said CM email was worrisome. Our CMO (SM) said he talked to CM and told him to not send emails like that out in the future.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SlowHand View Post
    Glad I don't have to put up with that Mickey Mouse BS.
    I see what you did there...

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    Iíve worked numerous flights where getting CAPT ADD made the difference between getting to the destination or diverting and possibly staying overnight.

    The fuel plan to the alternate is also sometimes based on a higher altitude than we would actually fly. I wonder how often planes are running on fumes who diverted at bingo fuel.

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    Rumor has it that an LGA crew went around recently with a fed observing. They landed with the gauges in amber and the fed said they shouldíve declared min fuel.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sirsnacksalot View Post
    Rumor has it that an LGA crew went around recently with a fed observing. They landed with the gauges in amber and the fed said they shouldíve declared min fuel.
    Sounds like a total crew f*** up to me. Should have declared the min fuel.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DolphinsFan View Post
    Sounds like a total crew f*** up to me. Should have declared the min fuel.
    Hey smart guy. Why donít you share the companyís stance on arriving with the gauges in amber?

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    The only f****up is the dead fish, management tool.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sirsnacksalot View Post
    Hey smart guy. Why donít you share the companyís stance on arriving with the gauges in amber?
    Yeah, why don't YOU read the FM1 and let ME know. How about just doing your job instead of incessantly whining on an online forum?

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    You and your fellow cheerleaders either post how itís all rainbows and unicorns here, or become Monday morning quarterbacks and bash your coworkers when something goes wrong.
    You might very well be a knowledgeable and proficient aviator, but if your people skills are anything like how youíve presented yourself in this forum one could make the assumption that youíre miserable to fly with.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sirsnacksalot View Post
    You and your fellow cheerleaders either post how it’s all rainbows and unicorns here, or become Monday morning quarterbacks and bash your coworkers when something goes wrong.
    You might very well be a knowledgeable and proficient aviator, but if your people skills are anything like how you’ve presented yourself in this forum one could make the assumption that you’re miserable to fly with.
    #nawhelikestotickle......Screenshot_2018-04-05-16-29-32-1.jpg

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    Quote Originally Posted by DolphinsFan View Post
    How about just doing your job instead of incessantly whining on an online forum?
    Sounds exactly what you are doing.

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    Email in your AA email regarding the fuel message
    Last edited by snippercr; 04-06-2018 at 11:15 AM.

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    Mickey has been removed as fleet manager. Source Ric Wilson

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    I think I still hold the unofficial lowest fuel landing at Eagle. I was a FO. Planned arrival fuel at CHS was 2300. No alternate needed. Took off with the normal 400 over min. Fl370 was turbulent. Fl350 was better. Center brought us down early for traffic. Wx moved in. Approach called ahead to advise us. SAV was closer but through the weather. CAE was further but away. Turned final with 2100 pounds. Saw the runway and weather. Prior to the FAF tower advised of a microburst on the field. That's all it took. Declared min then emergency. Mains touched the runway at CAE with 500 pounds per side.

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    Quote Originally Posted by stillageek View Post
    I think I still hold the unofficial lowest fuel landing at Eagle. I was a FO. Planned arrival fuel at CHS was 2300. No alternate needed. Took off with the normal 400 over min. Fl370 was turbulent. Fl350 was better. Center brought us down early for traffic. Wx moved in. Approach called ahead to advise us. SAV was closer but through the weather. CAE was further but away. Turned final with 2100 pounds. Saw the runway and weather. Prior to the FAF tower advised of a microburst on the field. That's all it took. Declared min then emergency. Mains touched the runway at CAE with 500 pounds per side.
    My asshole would still be up in my throat if that happened

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    Quote Originally Posted by eaglepilot View Post
    Mickey has been removed as fleet manager. Source Ric Wilson
    Iíve been gone from Eagle for several years now but keep tabs occasionally on whatís going on.

    I was in new hire and CRJ initial with Chris Mickey. Pretty shocked to read he made it to the level of fleet manager.

    I guess thatís no more though.

    How long did he hold that title?

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    Quote Originally Posted by v1rotate View Post
    Anybody see that HI6 about punishments for getting add fuel?
    Rick's email apologized and said he corrected the problem.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sirsnacksalot View Post
    Rumor has it that an LGA crew went around recently with a fed observing. They landed with the gauges in amber and the fed said they should’ve declared min fuel.
    Not required, but I would have done so if on vectors.

    http://lessonslearned.faa.gov/Avianca52/INFO_08004.pdf
    The act of using a portion of the reserve fuel assigned to a flight is not, in its self a cause to declare a minimum fuel state with the controlling agency. Regulations require reserve fuel to enable aircraft to maneuver, due to unforeseen circumstances. Many aircraft safely arrive at their destination having used a portion of the fuel designated as reserve. There is no regulatory definition as to when, specifically, a pilot must declare “minimum fuel” or a fuel emergency. Air carriers typically develop such guidance for their pilots and include it in their General Operations Manuals; such guidance generally falls along the following lines:

    • Declare “minimum fuel” when, in your best judgment, any additional delay willcause you to burn into your reserve fuel.

    • Declare a fuel emergency at the point at which, in your judgment, it is necessaryfor you to proceed directly to the airport at which you intend to land. Declarationof a fuel emergency is an explicit statement that priority handling by ATC isnecessary and expected.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Death Dealer View Post

    • Declare “minimum fuel” when, in your best judgment, any additional delay will cause you to burn into your reserve fuel.
    So if we are dispatched without any add we should be declaring min fuel as soon as we rotate.

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