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    Anybody see that HI6 about punishments for getting add fuel?

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    Punishments ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Beagleboy View Post
    Punishments ?
    Yea it was sent out for CRJ crews. Titled it non compliance. Mentioned keeping a "list" of captains getting add fuel.

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    I haven't checked HI6's yet today, but I did get an email a week or so back, explaining thier fuel planning system, and advising me that I probably need not ask for add fuel so much... LOL

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    Yea their fuel planning software is obviously crap. I'll see if I can get my hands on that hi6

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    Reference page 3 in the Flow now 6 year’s thread. I left some guidance there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sirsnacksalot View Post
    Reference page 3 in the Flow now 6 year’s thread. I left some guidance there.
    Aaah yes, very good. Wasn't following that thread. Still looking For that HI6. I had it somewhere. i hope it's true the FAA is involved.

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    Quote Originally Posted by v1rotate View Post
    Yea it was sent out for CRJ crews. Titled it non compliance. Mentioned keeping a "list" of captains getting add fuel.
    Really ?

    The FAR’s are CLEAR about the PIC being the FINAL AUTHORITY as to the operation of the aircraft and this infers that Envoy Captains are being unilaterally stripped of that responsibility by management by implied threat. If so, where is your “Association” on this ? I knew they became impotent due to choosing to not rock the boat and jeopardizing their flows to AA, but have they now completely left the building on safety ?

    If true and accurate, this is shocking. BTW, the FAA does have a Whistleblower program when concerns about safety develop.
    Last edited by Beagleboy; 04-04-2018 at 11:08 AM.

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    How do I post it on here

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    While flying the line during the Easter holiday weekend, i was able to discuss my previous HI6 message regarding captain add fuel with many of you. For the past few days, no CRJ captain was listed on the company capt ADD list. Thank you so much for your cooperation and efficient management of your aircraft. Recently, two captains requested more fuel and were placed on the list. This is very unfortunate because they did not use the fuel requested. I will be in Chicago on wednesday to discuss this issue with your chief pilot in order to determine a future course of action for non-compliant flight crews. Expect more information on this issue in the near future.

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    Quote Originally Posted by v1rotate View Post
    While flying the line during the Easter holiday weekend, i was able to discuss my previous HI6 message regarding captain add fuel with many of you. For the past few days, no CRJ captain was listed on the company capt ADD list. Thank you so much for your cooperation and efficient management of your aircraft. Recently, two captains requested more fuel and were placed on the list. This is very unfortunate because they did not use the fuel requested. I will be in Chicago on wednesday to discuss this issue with your chief pilot in order to determine a future course of action for non-compliant flight crews. Expect more information on this issue in the near future.
    Obtaining additional fuel does NOT mean it must be used. It is for contingencies of reasonable concern given that situation. Either the dispatcher or the captain can add fuel for operational reasons BOTH being jointly responsible for the flight. To imply there must be "compliance" with what appears to be a clear overriding of captain's authority is absurd as is representing determination of "future action" taken against such "non-compliant flight crews" which implies punitive action against First Officers as well.

    Don't know who wrote this, but it clearly smacks of Pilot Pushing and ALPA should be all over this. My condolences to what appears to be more proof of your non-union status.

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    Next guys will be “put on the list” for carrying fire extinguishers and not using them.

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    ygbfsm. How did this make it past Rick Wilson. This should be a red flag for the faa. Unbelievable

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    Who wrote the email?

    Guess if we ask for fuel, we should start asking for 600lbs and make sure we use some of it. What a joke.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Robsquatch View Post
    ygbfsm. How did this make it past Rick Wilson. This should be a red flag for the faa. Unbelievable
    I can only wonder what future victims lawyers would do with such an email (if valid) should an accident occur, even if this particular issue was not a factor ? It appears to me to demonstrate something far more of concern in Airline operations and could be easily argued as such by even marginally skilled attorneys. They live for the opportunity of presenting examples of Air Carriers intimidating pilots into abrogating their responsibilities regardless of the reason.

    I winced when I first read it.
    Last edited by Beagleboy; 04-04-2018 at 02:52 PM.

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    Here is the hi6.

    https://ibb.co/eq2z6c

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    Sounds like the CRJ Fleet Manager and the ORD CP are cut from the same cloth.
    SMDH

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    It will be interesting to hear what type of discipline will be inflicted on “non-compliant crews” after meeting with the Chief Pilot.

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    Heard a story recently about a DFW Captain forgetting to balance an entered in error entry. The plane swap in ORD caused a bit of an up line delay when the next crew noticed the corrective action block being blank.The ACP contacted said pilot the following day and asked if he’d download a copy of the log page, sign it and then email it back. Once it was done, they talked on the phone and the Captain was told by the ACP that was all that was needed. Two days later the ORD CP sends an HI6 telling the Captain to come see him the following Monday.
    The guy didn’t even bother to research whether the pilot was one of his.
    The story ends with the Captain contacting his boss who ended up laughing and said don’t do it again.
    Sounds like the Chicago Boss is a real piece of work.
    Never met him before and hope not to when based there.
    Last edited by Sirsnacksalot; 04-04-2018 at 04:20 PM.

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    Glad I don't have to put up with that Mickey Mouse BS.

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