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    Iím in New Zealand right now and was very excited to fly AAís 787 down here. It was half empty (all upgrades taken) and it was terribly uncomfortable and the FAs were unbelievably rude to everyone.

    My buddy who Iím visiting says to take Air New Zealand back or Hawaiian through HNL

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    Listen to your friend. AA's international product just mirrors there domestic product, cheap.

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    Quote Originally Posted by eaglepilot View Post
    I haven't seen a 777 there in at least 3 months.
    The pilots are all being used in other bases. They’ll likely be displaced in the next system bid supposed to be due out later this week.

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    Quote Originally Posted by eaglepilot View Post
    I haven't seen a 777 there in at least 3 months.
    You are right the 777 trips out of ORD DH to RDU to do London.

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    And rdu is not a pilot base. Perfect, dysfunction continues.

    Anyone get the email about d.h. priority.
    Seems as if A1 is now standby when seat is available.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jdflyer View Post
    Iím in New Zealand right now and was very excited to fly AAís 787 down here. It was half empty (all upgrades taken) and it was terribly uncomfortable and the FAs were unbelievably rude to everyone.

    My buddy who Iím visiting says to take Air New Zealand back or Hawaiian through HNL
    If you can get on a NZ 777 their coach product is very good. Canít speak for their 787, but the 777 I took from LAX to AKL two years ago was great.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ardvark View Post
    And rdu is not a pilot base. Perfect, dysfunction continues.
    Quote Originally Posted by ardvark View Post

    Anyone get the email about d.h. priority.
    Seems as if A1 is now standby when seat is available.
    That is incorrect. I believe the kids these days use the term, "Fake news." Go back and re-read it.

    But with that, the new policy doesnt really change much (and at first is almost more confusing). If you have a scheduled return to base last leg DH, up till now it was A3. As long as E inventory was available (which even if the flight was 'oversold' there often times was some Y inventory available as E), you were HK'd and thats all there was to it. Some agents, especially in DFW would go through and sometimes try to pull seats from A3s who were HKd in E. Never happened to me but I was ready with the N* that said A3s are NOT to be removed for oversales. So A3 for most people really wasnt that big of an issue. Now you will get A1 which is HKd in Y inventory and also cannot be removed for oversales.

    What WAS an issue was mainly reserve - they build you a last minute ORD-SGF-DFW with a DH back to ORD as A3. Well, some cloud sneezed and now a DFW-ORD flight is cxld on a monday so what went from an already full day is now everything is painfully oversold. When they created the A3 PNR for you, there was no E inventory (or Y for that matter) and you are MM'd as RID. Most likely you will get the jumpseat but that follows normal order (and no, taking the jumpseat as A3 is NOT discouraged). If lots of jumpseaters listed, especially AA D2WPs, you could have a long time to wait.

    Now what they are doing is lets take that same RSV sequence. Instead of putting you A3 on the first flight you can legally make, you will get A1 on the first flight with Y inventory available. That COULD be the same flight since Y can be oversold (that uses some weird RES logic beyond my understanding) upto what ever the AU for a particular flight is (sometimes AU=AC). Now, if a flight is "Y0" as they say, then they will look for the next flight which could be the next day. You can still get released to standby for an earlier flight, also as RID (as opposed to OSA1 which would be if you were A1) and again can still take the jumpseat(s) if available.

    But to say A1 is now standby is....wrong.

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    Damnit Jim, I'm a pilot not a gate agent. Can you remove the RES Kung Fu and remind us what a Y0 (etc) really means?

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    Disagree, when you were a1 positive space, you were positive space. Now a3 which basically is bumpple, is an a1 on the next available flight that has seats available, could be today or tomorrow when one is available, that to me is standby with a higher priority, not positive space on the next flight. They will not bump anyone for you, spin it as you feel the need, that is what I interpret from it, a1 standby.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ardvark View Post
    Disagree, when you were a1 positive space, you were positive space. Now a3 which basically is bumpple, is an a1 on the next available flight that has seats available, could be today or tomorrow when one is available, that to me is standby with a higher priority, not positive space on the next flight. They will not bump anyone for you, spin it as you feel the need, that is what I interpret from it, a1 standby.
    Spin? Sorry, none intended. If you are A1, you are confirmed and have a seat. Sorry if I wasn't clear. Again, wasn't trying to spin something.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ardvark View Post
    And rdu is not a pilot base. Perfect, dysfunction continues.

    Anyone get the email about d.h. priority.
    Seems as if A1 is now standby when seat is available.
    RDU to London has been flown by MIA and/or ORD for years. There were times it was part of a 6 day trip.

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    Quote Originally Posted by snippercr View Post
    Spin? Sorry, none intended. If you are A1, you are confirmed and have a seat. Sorry if I wasn't clear. Again, wasn't trying to spin something.
    Actually to be clear, this should read "if you are A1 and IF you have an assigned seat when placed A1, you are confirmed. If the flight is already oversold (no seats available) and you are put A1 on that flight, you are NOT confirmed no differently then A3. Had this happen multiple times over the last couple of years at different bases. In such a situation, you are then rolled to the next flight and if also oversold simply have higher non-rev priority then an A3.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Beagleboy View Post
    Actually to be clear, this should read "if you are A1 and IF you have an assigned seat when placed A1, you are confirmed. If the flight is already oversold (no seats available) and you are put A1 on that flight, you are NOT confirmed no differently then A3. Had this happen multiple times over the last couple of years at different bases. In such a situation, you are then rolled to the next flight and if also oversold simply have higher non-rev priority then an A3.
    There is a distinction between ticketed, confirmed, and seat assigned. But I've already been accused of spinning the truth somehow so **** me, other people can figure it out.

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    Quote Originally Posted by snippercr View Post
    There is a distinction between ticketed, confirmed, and seat assigned. But I've already been accused of spinning the truth somehow so **** me, other people can figure it out.
    My point is simple; Just because one is A1 does NOT mean they are positive space under all circumstances which is one confusion many have. Most are unaware of the 3 distinctions you make, only the assumption an A1 was essentially bulletproof. I've never been bumped as an A3 with a seat assignment either, so A1 is in most circumstances nothing more then just a slightly higher pass classification then A3. An A3 WITH a seat assignment is usually golden over a last minute A1 without one.

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    Yea but what are the odds?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Beagleboy View Post
    My point is simple; Just because one is A1 does NOT mean they are positive space under all circumstances which is one confusion many have. Most are unaware of the 3 distinctions you make, only the assumption an A1 was essentially bulletproof. I've never been bumped as an A3 with a seat assignment either, so A1 is in most circumstances nothing more then just a slightly higher pass classification then A3. An A3 WITH a seat assignment is usually golden over a last minute A1 without one.
    I haven't been bumped either in the past two years, but it will be interesting to see how this works out. AA does a lot of DH'ing of their crews too. One or two misconnects of crew members may see a few cancellations. Should be a fun summer.
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    Hi, there you know that it really isn't about the debate of comparing the two, which would be a good debate since AA's product has fallen off the last few years.
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    Yup. I had a DH on a AA 787 last Fall from DFW to LAX. Coach.

    I was excited.

    Until about an hour into the flight on the rock hard, narrow, no leg room seat - about the time my a$$ went numb.

    I was NOT imoressed! Iíll NEVER subject myself to an AA 787 coach seat internationally. If thatís all thatís left, Iíll try another route, or Iíll turn around and go home.

    A month later, I was on a company 777 in coach. Now THATíS more like it! Soft cushions. Reasonably wide seat (for coach). Leg room.

    The 787 coach seats are basically identical to the newer seats on the 737ís and Busses, which are barely tolerable for a 3-6 hour flight, let alone a 15 hour long haul.

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