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    I heard AA is slated to go all 787 in ORD as far as widebodies go. Don’t know about the others but I found AA’s 787 to be no different then say, the 737 comfort-wise in the back. Same seats that seemed no different or roomier and on flights up to 14-16 hours ? Ouch ! AA does have an advantage over United against Norwegian though and that’s cheaper pilot labor costs, so they may be in a better position even if their economy product might not be as good as Norwegian’s.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Beagleboy View Post
    I heard AA is slated to go all 787 in ORD as far as widebodies go. Don’t know about the others but I found AA’s 787 to be no different then say, the 737 comfort-wise in the back. Same seats that seemed no different or roomier and on flights up to 14-16 hours ? Ouch ! AA does have an advantage over United against Norwegian though and that’s cheaper pilot labor costs, so they may be in a better position even if their economy product might not be as good as Norwegian’s.
    LOL! Now you've proved you are totally insane. Comparing AA with Norweigan? Seriously? Norwegian just wishes they could get into the minor leagues of AA. They are nowhere near the quality and service if American Airlines. Get real dude!

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    AA and quality two words that don't belong together. AA is the spirit of the future, cheap lousy seats and bare minimum service in the cabin. So Norwegian will have no problem competing in ORD.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dacuj View Post
    LOL! Now you've proved you are totally insane. Comparing AA with Norweigan? Seriously? Norwegian just wishes they could get into the minor leagues of AA. They are nowhere near the quality and service if American Airlines. Get real dude!
    I see you've arrived again reinforcing one of the many hair-brained conclusions you try to sell here that we've already debunked. Shaking off another bender from last night ?

    Size and quality are two different concepts. I can think of multiple International carriers with service (which includes comfort) that are widely accepted as far superior to AA's. like Singapore, etc. but that are much smaller carriers. Anyhoo, I was speaking from my own experience on AA's 787 economy experience about comfort. As stated previously, some friends did it International and weren't impressed. The best solution is to go to YouTube and view the various experiences people have like "Trip report" and see and decide for themselves. Not all flights provide the same experience though, even on the same carrier. As for Norwegian, I'm not a fan of their concept or their management's goals, but that has nothing to do with comfort and product.

    Sorry you have to throw yourself into another tizzy and on a weekend, yet. Perhaps some Hair of the Dog ?

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    I would also say look at what Ryan air did in Europe to aer lingus and ba

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dacuj View Post
    LOL! Now you've proved you are totally insane. Comparing AA with Norweigan? Seriously? Norwegian just wishes they could get into the minor leagues of AA. They are nowhere near the quality and service if American Airlines. Get real dude!
    It really isn't about the debate of comparing the two, which would be a good debate since AA's product has fallen off the last few years.

    It is more about price point. That is all passengers care about first and foremost. Who ever is cheapest is going to win. Plus have you flown on any foreign Airlines lately? Their service blows any American airline put of the air.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wiz5422 View Post
    It really isn't about the debate of comparing the two, which would be a good debate since AA's product has fallen off the last few years.

    It is more about price point. That is all passengers care about first and foremost. Who ever is cheapest is going to win. Plus have you flown on any foreign Airlines lately? Their service blows any American airline put of the air.
    I would definitely take AA over BA. BA used to have pretty good inter-euro service but they had to respond to the Ryanair, Norwegian, Vueling, WOW, and other ULCCs and it really has fallen in line. As far as any long haul, I would take AA over them. Lufthansa still has pretty good inter-euro service, havent done them Long haul in a bit though. AB right before they closed up was alright from a hard/soft product stand point, I just had a bad-experience my last flight with them associated with an airline on life support. SIA I would definitely put ahead of AA for long haul. AF I found also on par with AA. As far as US carriers, I only have flown United and while they got me where I wanted to go, I would have prefered AA. As far as Asian carriers, I flew China Eastern and Juneyao and that is one where hands down they win in every aspect. If only we had ZED agreements on them but the tickets were not too expensive. I have yet to fly JAL, Korea, or Air China but I would imagine the experience would be very similar.

    ORD long haul is indeed all 787s, however it is a heavy business travel route and getting business travelers to switch to long haul ULCC is unlikely, citing numerous conversations over at FT. We'll see how the battle goes on, especially as AA has followed with other US carriers to introduce "Basic Economy" for Europe (not sure we'll see it to Asia, maybe SA).

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    AA 787 in coach does s*ck b*lls. Been in the back of one between ORD and DFW, and it couldn't be more uncomfortable. I feel bad for pax that have to sit there for 17 hours between LAX and SYD. And, it's not getting any better. I've heard from people who have flown on the MAX that it's a sardine can - even the First Class product isn't that great. Also, if you need to go to the lav on the MAX, you better decide if you're standing or sitting before you go in...it's nearly impossible to turn around once you're inside.

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    The airline of cheap has arrived

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    Quote Originally Posted by ardvark View Post
    The airline of cheap has arrived
    You've got that right for sure - but that is what the market is driving. People want the cheapest thing out there, or are willing to pay for something better. It does indeed allow more people to travel than ever before. There still is a demand for premium services and we are seeing the premium economy reflect that. It really is you-get-what-you-paid-for. Or in our case...don't pay for but work for. When you are traveling for free, a seat is a seat.

    I will be interested to see how the NAI plan works in ORD. WOW/NAI/IcelandAir (to an extent) have definitely made headlines moving into cities but what isnt often covered is when they bail. They have done that quite a bit in the northeast.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Beagleboy View Post
    I heard AA is slated to go all 787 in ORD as far as widebodies go. Don’t know about the others but I found AA’s 787 to be no different then say, the 737 comfort-wise in the back. Same seats that seemed no different or roomier and on flights up to 14-16 hours ? Ouch ! AA does have an advantage over United against Norwegian though and that’s cheaper pilot labor costs, so they may be in a better position even if their economy product might not be as good as Norwegian’s.
    787s have been the only heavy based at ORD for almost a year now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by eaglepilot View Post
    787s have been the only heavy based at ORD for almost a year now.
    Aren’t you just full of helpful info. Gave you a thumbs down.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dacuj View Post
    LOL! Now you've proved you are totally insane. Comparing AA with Norweigan? Seriously? Norwegian just wishes they could get into the minor leagues of AA. They are nowhere near the quality and service if American Airlines. Get real dude!
    Not really, long haul economy on AA sucks. Hell the soft and hard product in business and first class is some of the worse out of the major airlines. Keep in mind I am EP on AA, Diamond on Delta, and Gold on United so I fly a lot. In fact most of the guys at my shop hate taking AA. Our pilots can't ride on NAI because they don't have business class but our FAs can ride on them and say it isn't a bad product.

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    Actually ORD still has a 777 based there, but will be all 787 soon. With only 37 777 F/Os.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Earl View Post
    Actually ORD still has a 777 based there, but will be all 787 soon. With only 37 777 F/Os.
    I haven't seen a 777 there in at least 3 months.

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