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    We will see a new base this year.

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    Finally gonna see some of those cheesesteaks you were telling us about?

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    I thought we were thinking west... no?

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    Quote Originally Posted by copycopy View Post
    I thought we were thinking west... no?
    He was hinting at PHL a few months ago. And PHX.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dacuj View Post
    We will see a new base this year.
    Great for AAG that more flying remains outsourced, but not so great for those who flow as the very things good for Envoy pilots work against them once at AA. Speaking of flow, will increased flow be announced this year ? Will across the board pay increases be announced this year to match competition ? Will palatable schedules be adopted this year..........or will the beatings (and B.S. spin) continue until morale improves ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by schmuck View Post
    He was hinting at PHL a few months ago. And PHX.
    And a pretty sweet fleet plan!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Beagleboy View Post
    Great for AAG that more flying remains outsourced, but not so great for those who flow as the very things good for Envoy pilots work against them once at AA. Speaking of flow, will increased flow be announced this year ? Will across the board pay increases be announced this year to match competition ? Will palatable schedules be adopted this year..........or will the beatings (and B.S. spin) continue until morale improves ?
    I am going with "the beatings (and B.S. spin) continue until morale improves".
    Sir, can I have another.

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    PHL still in the mix. More to come on this. However, that said, it’s no secret AAG wants increased presence in LAX AND those Compass 175s back here pronto. Latest rumblings are of putting 140/145s out there to supplement Compass and open newer smaller markets. As we make the push for 3000+ on the list, we will be ready to swoop in and staff the 20 175s in LA alongside our 140/145 fleet there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dacuj View Post
    PHL still in the mix. More to come on this. However, that said, it’s no secret AAG wants increased presence in LAX AND those Compass 175s back here pronto. Latest rumblings are of putting 140/145s out there to supplement Compass and open newer smaller markets. As we make the push for 3000+ on the list, we will be ready to swoop in and staff the 20 175s in LA alongside our 140/145 fleet there.
    Bummer.

    I guess that's a "no" on most if not all my questions. Expansion that aggressive will put great pressure on Envoy to keep attrition to the bare minimum, so the flow is all but certain to continue to be squeezed at its present bare minimum rate. This summer should see the usual increased industry hiring at the legacies and LCC's so there will still be a steady stream of outside attrition and Summer flying is always stressed with max vacation usage and robust block hour schedules, so that will stress Envoy further, meaning schedules are likely to remain depressing and reassignments frequent. But, like I stated I guess you think that's a good thing for Envoy for its pilots to watch it expand with little or no benefit to them in the present by increased flow, higher pay or better schedules and then have it work against them AFTER they leave Envoy via flow to AA ?

    Please tell me that at least management will allow open bidding to the new domicile as opposed to locking out many pilots who would want it due to present equipment differences and ALPA approved abrogated seniority provisions ? I mean, all this supposed good news has to have SOME benefit to this pilot group, yes ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Beagleboy View Post
    I mean, all this supposed good news has to have SOME benefit to this pilot group, yes ?
    Hahahaha. You know the answer to this. Good luck getting DACA to admit it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dacuj View Post
    PHL still in the mix. More to come on this. However, that said, itís no secret AAG wants increased presence in LAX AND those Compass 175s back here pronto. Latest rumblings are of putting 140/145s out there to supplement Compass and open newer smaller markets. As we make the push for 3000+ on the list, we will be ready to swoop in and staff the 20 175s in LA alongside our 140/145 fleet there.
    The compass 175ís will not be coming to envoy. They will stay in lax staffed by either Mesa or Skywest. Both of which already do lax flying, have 175ís on property already, and have lax bases. Why would they spend the money to stuff it with our pilots and pay for a base?
    Growth is bad for pilots wanting to flow. If you think growth will let the company actually follow the contractual 50 percent your in for a rude awakening. If lax were to be an option for envoy I believe whole heartedly it would be back on the 140ís parked in sjt, supplementing the compass 175ís.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pinkvisual View Post
    The compass 175’s will not be coming to envoy. They will stay in lax staffed by either Mesa or Skywest. Both of which already do lax flying, have 175’s on property already, and have lax bases. Why would they spend the money to stuff it with our pilots and pay for a base?
    Growth is bad for pilots wanting to flow. If you think growth will let the company actually follow the contractual 50 percent your in for a rude awakening. If lax were to be an option for envoy I believe whole heartedly it would be back on the 140’s parked in sjt, supplementing the compass 175’s.
    Why would AAG shift planes from one non WO to another? If they are planning to pull those birds from Compass at all, then it would make more sense for them to place them at a WO where they can hold on to more of the profits of those flights. But I'm 100% with you, growth will continue to harm this pilot group. In more ways than just flow.

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    We will get the 175s back as long as our overall cost is lower then Compass. Performance is par for both companies for reliability. However, compass contract is through 2019. So if what Dacuj turns out to be true that AAG has decided to xfer the hulls to Envoy at best will get an announcement later this year with the base opening in next year.

    The only way I see an LAX base this year is If they decided to move RJs in. But they would need to reduce operations at Skywest as there is no room at the current eagles nest in LAX.

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    Wow, an LA base? I should never have left Eagle....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dacuj View Post
    PHL still in the mix. More to come on this. However, that said, it’s no secret AAG wants increased presence in LAX AND those Compass 175s back here pronto. Latest rumblings are of putting 140/145s out there to supplement Compass and open newer smaller markets. As we make the push for 3000+ on the list, we will be ready to swoop in and staff the 20 175s in LA alongside our 140/145 fleet there.
    Management literally talked to my recurrent class 3 weeks ago. No new bases in 2018. LAX will not come back. 175s from compass will but Skywest is leaving ORD and will increase their presence in LAX as compass goes bye bye. Interesting to see if management is right or if dacuj is. Regardless, just honor the flow and stop F-ing with our lives and honor the damn contract.

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    Quote Originally Posted by schmuck View Post
    why would aag shift planes from one non wo to another? If they are planning to pull those birds from compass at all, then it would make more sense for them to place them at a wo where they can hold on to more of the profits of those flights. But i'm 100% with you, growth will continue to harm this pilot group. In more ways than just flow.
    stop the growth! Honor the flow!

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    Quote Originally Posted by eaglepilot View Post
    Management literally talked to my recurrent class 3 weeks ago. No new bases in 2018. LAX will not come back. 175s from compass will but Skywest is leaving ORD and will increase their presence in LAX as compass goes bye bye. Interesting to see if management is right or if dacuj is. Regardless, just honor the flow and stop F-ing with our lives and honor the damn contract.
    Yeah, but remember the old saying: "if an airline manager's lips are moving, he's lying." I'm certainly not agreeing with the "line-pilot-pretending-to-be-recruitment-to-amuse-himself-and-take-the-p1ss-from-cujo" but my point is that who knows what the hell is going to happen in the next year. Just cuz mgmt said one thing doesn't mean it's true.

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    Quote Originally Posted by eaglepilot View Post
    stop the growth! Honor the flow!
    Amen brotha!

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    Quote Originally Posted by eaglepilot View Post
    Management literally talked to my recurrent class 3 weeks ago. No new bases in 2018. LAX will not come back. 175s from compass will but Skywest is leaving ORD and will increase their presence in LAX as compass goes bye bye. Interesting to see if management is right or if dacuj is. Regardless, just honor the flow and stop F-ing with our lives and honor the damn contract.
    This is more in line with what I've heard. Envoy will be shoving Skywest out of ORD throughout the year. Obviously the 175 in ORD will grow, but also the 145 in ORD will grow as well. Compass planes will be coming to Envoy, but the question has been where will those planes go. My theory has been that with Skywest getting the boot out of ORD that the Compass 175s will be allocated into another part of the Envoy system and Skywest will be the big Eagle player in LAX.

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    Quote Originally Posted by eaglepilot View Post
    stop the growth! Honor the flow!
    Where are the stickers?

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