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    Quote Originally Posted by stillageek View Post
    3 envoy flows in the last class of 2017.. 2 envoy street. Roughly 6 PDT and 8 PSA flows. Mostly military. One Republic, one Expressjet. Super 80 and 190 went Senior. LGA 737 Junior. Oldest 52 I think. I know youngest 24. Source.... I'm in the class.
    Interesting. I would assume seniority S80 for DFW and 190 for schedule (AKA control of one's life). LGA covers 3 airports and is a known far and wide as a royal pain in the ***, so no surprise on that part. But ONLY 3 flows from Envoy ? Considering the last several months then, the flow really is a trickle and another red flag of future trouble. For the sake of those flowing, I sincerely hope not.
    Last edited by Beagleboy; 12-01-2017 at 10:09 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by stillageek View Post
    3 envoy flows in the last class of 2017.. 2 envoy street. Roughly 6 PDT and 8 PSA flows. Mostly military. One Republic, one Expressjet. Super 80 and 190 went Senior. LGA 737 Junior. Oldest 52 I think. I know youngest 24. Source.... I'm in the class.
    What equipment did you get and the other Envoy pilots?...just curious
    24 years old the youngest in class? Wow, makes many senior regional pilots shake their heads. Hahaha....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Beagleboy View Post
    Interesting. I would assume seniority S80 for DFW and 190 for schedule (AKA control of one's life). LGA covers 3 airports and is a known far and wide as a royal pain in the ***, so no surprise on that part. But ONLY 3 flows from Envoy ? Considering the last several months then, the flow really is a trickle and another red flag of future trouble. For the sake of those flowing, I sincerely hope not.
    We know they will only send 25/month. That's what they did. It's not a red flag, it's the reality, and mgmt has been on record many times saying they will never flow more than the minimum. That red flag has been flying for years.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jersdawg View Post
    We know they will only send 25/month. That's what they did. It's not a red flag, it's the reality, and mgmt has been on record many times saying they will never flow more than the minimum. That red flag has been flying for years.
    The ďred flagĒ was the statement that this last class had only 3 flows, not 25. If itís 25, then thatís just one less red flag.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Beagleboy View Post
    The ďred flagĒ was the statement that this last class had only 3 flows, not 25. If itís 25, then thatís just one less red flag.
    It was 25 for the month. 22 in the first class, three in the second.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ttot View Post
    What equipment did you get and the other Envoy pilots?...just curious
    24 years old the youngest in class? Wow, makes many senior regional pilots shake their heads. Hahaha....
    I got the last Super 80 DFW. Other Envoy flows got what they wanted...DFW S80 and LAX 737. Other Envoy street hire got LGA 737 as they are kinda young (37). Twenty Four year old is a child of a AA Captain.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jersdawg View Post
    It was 25 for the month. 22 in the first class, three in the second.
    Thanks for the clarification. Still curious as to the 2017 total, if you have it.

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    237

    According to the 824 info on ALPA page we flowed number 677 thru 914
    Last edited by DilsonWic; 12-01-2017 at 01:16 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DilsonWic View Post
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    According to the 824 info on ALPA page we flowed number 677 thru 914
    Gracias. 25/month for 11 months (assuming no classes in December 2018) would be 275 as a reasonable target. If the same target was valid for 2017 (not sure if it was), then 2017 moved 86% of target.

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    The target for 2017 was higher that 275. Can't recall what it was exactly...maybe 300? It was higher since we were still flowing the 824 at 30/month.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Beagleboy View Post
    Gracias. 25/month for 11 months (assuming no classes in December 2018) would be 275 as a reasonable target. If the same target was valid for 2017 (not sure if it was), then 2017 moved 86% of target.
    Yep. October and December killed it, as well as September being a smaller class than usual. They're adhering to the contract, but if there's no hiring, there's no flow.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jersdawg View Post
    Yep. October and December killed it, as well as September being a smaller class than usual. They're adhering to the contract, but if there's no hiring, there's no flow.
    One of my repeated points that results in dacuj proceeding direct to the liquor cabinet and entering a holding pattern. The flow (even the minimum rate) was, has and likely WILL be subject to periodic hiccups that result in less then a minimum rate based on a consistent monthly assumption. 2017 proves that and the worst part is that the future has far more potential obstacles then the past that could result in disruptions of flow of various time frames. IMO, it would be both wise and realistic to assume these disruptions will occur from time to time over the coming months and years.

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    The flow is more like an enlarged prostate. Need the finger Check...

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    I seem to remember the liaison saying 360 flows at the beginning of the year

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    Quote Originally Posted by schmuck View Post
    The target for 2017 was higher that 275. Can't recall what it was exactly...maybe 300? It was higher since we were still flowing the 824 at 30/month.
    Email dated 12/19/2016 from Ric (titled "Reflecting on 2016 and Looking Ahead to 2017") the "projection" was 330 to flow. Nov 16 was also the last month Ric sent an email with the flow summary (# flows, OTS, other WO, and then % break downs).

    Also when making calculations, probably safe to assume no hiring by AA in December but also a summer month too (July, and/or June?).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Robsquatch View Post
    I seem to remember the liaison saying 360 flows at the beginning of the year
    Actually, that does ring a bell.

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    Dug up the quote from mid-January....

    Quote Originally Posted by Dacuj View Post


    Abominable. As in snowman? Haha real funny.

    If you call best flow in the industry to the biggest major "abominable" then I think you are a lost cause.

    Hiring the biggest numbers since 2007 and 2011. Our E175 fleet is growing and AAG is looking at getting us those options. Up to 400 CA vacancies in 2017. Flowing 360+ to AA in 2017. Yeah, sounds like a bad year to me.
    237 is 66% of 360

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    Quote Originally Posted by stillageek View Post
    I got the last Super 80 DFW. Other Envoy flows got what they wanted...DFW S80 and LAX 737. Other Envoy street hire got LGA 737 as they are kinda young (37). Twenty Four year old is a child of a AA Captain.
    Wow, so when you get displaced next year, what base you gonna go to? Lga,Mia,or lax?

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    Quote Originally Posted by No Tuna In Cockpit View Post
    Dug up the quote from mid-January....



    237 is 66% of 360
    You do realize now, the DMG will be along shortly to label you a "hater" who wants to see Envoy fail simply for attempting to highlight reality backed-up with facts. If you continue, you can expect to be threatened.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Beagleboy View Post
    You do realize now, the DMG will be along shortly to label you a "hater" who wants to see Envoy fail simply for attempting to highlight reality backed-up with facts. If you continue, you can expect to be threatened.
    If you want to see who is doing the manipulation being done here, I suggest you stop by the bathroom and take a long hard look in the mirror. While you are at it, go ahead and don that anti-Envoy cheerleader uniform. Nice work today with one of your alt-personalities bashing the flow on another forum.

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