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    Aaaannnnddddd go.....
    Last edited by v1rotate; 11-21-2017 at 06:06 PM.

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    Good for them. They were almost squashed but Delta realized that hey, regional pilots actually do have value in this day and age. Now they lead the pack.

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    We should be voting on Envoy new TA any time now, right?!

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    It's a "dynamic industry."

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    Quote Originally Posted by ttot View Post
    We should be voting on Envoy new TA any time now, right?!
    Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha.....


    You get the point.

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    Dacuj will say....
    But our classes are full.
    Flow is great.
    You're an idiot to go anywhere else.
    Endeavor doesn't even have 175s.
    We have no QOL issues.
    Flow is 5 years.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jersdawg View Post
    Good for them. They were almost squashed but Delta realized that hey, regional pilots actually do have value in this day and age. Now they lead the pack.
    Delta has a talented management team who are very proactive. It's no surprise their product is superior to AA's. Delta recognizes that their regional ops are critical as long as it is viable and so they will protect it to as much degree as they see necessary. They also apparently acknowledge the likely future regarding regional flying and hedge their bets by reducing their dependency on such ops. I think you'll see more moves in that direction as the inevitable occurs and the supply of entry-level regional pilots continues to evaporate and poaching is mostly eliminated. They compensate and treat their pilots in a manner that will give them the tools necessary to better withstand future challenges, unforeseen or not. AA on the other hand seems to take the opposite approach of simply reacting to things as they come along and expect their pilots to simply 'take the pain' and plow forward with misfiring cylinders and a lumbering gait. Considering the combination of AA's increasingly reliance of regional ops and their intensification of alienating their mainline pilots which is exactly opposite of Delta's, it's only logical to assume that AA's ability to withstand future challenges will be far more difficult, especially with their mountain of debt, regardless of whether it is considered "good" debt or not.

    I consider AA a House of Cards that only requires one good gust of wind to completely change its future and not for the better. This is bad for both AA pilots and Envoy pilots who hope to flow. I'm not claiming certainty, but what I am once again suggesting is that when one truly looks at the strategies, philosophies and attitudes between these two carriers, Delta is the far better risk for a hopeful pilot. One must also note most other carriers including United and most of the LCC's are more in line with Delta's tack vs. AA's. Expansion is also good at the LCC's as Frontier just announced a massive order and I believe Southwest is due to take another 60 jets or so in the next couple of years. Even if Envoy follows Endeavor, that IMO, is not what's important to look at as should they do that, all it signifies is that they are doing nothing different then they have in the past, obviously having learned nothing yet to alter their strategy, philosophy or attitude.

    If you always do what you've always done, you'll always get what you've always gotten.
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    The Spooge, Flipper, and Flamer are probably all in a meeting formulating their responses.

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    What were the other 17% thinking of?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ardvark View Post
    What were the other 17% thinking of?
    Probably never take the first offer.

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    Anyone have actual pass rate for Endeavor pilots interviewing at Delta AIR Lines? (See what I did there?)
    Last edited by xpanterica; 11-21-2017 at 02:20 PM.

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    Pretty sure most won't get it, kinda like the northwest logo

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    SHOW ME THE MONEY!!!!!!!
    Now let’s see how strong this Recruitment tool call “The Flow” really is. Let the race to the top begin.
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    Good for them. EDV were the ones, even before our pals at PSA, that led the pack on the race to the bottom. Nice to see that they’ve been leading the race back to the top these last couple of years as well. Let’s hope AAG acts next accordingly.

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    About that word “hope”

    https://youtu.be/MH1lAoCuA-o

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    Quote Originally Posted by schmuck View Post
    Good for them. EDV were the ones, even before our pals at PSA, that led the pack on the race to the bottom. Nice to see that they’ve been leading the race back to the top these last couple of years as well. Let’s hope AAG acts next accordingly.

    Unless it’s time for a contractual amendment, management (at least at AAG) has absolutely no reason to shell out any extra money to the pilot group unless contractually obligated. AAG is not the type of company to look at market rate pay, especially if they don’t have to.

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    The question is, When will that have to?

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    When current employees quit and new hires stop showing up. Otherwise why raise Pay?

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    Quote Originally Posted by DilsonWic View Post
    When current employees quit and new hires stop showing up. Otherwise why raise Pay?
    But, at some point pay won’t matter as it won’t solve the problem of few reamianing pilots out there interested in getting beat up at regional airlines for murky promises many years away. This will affect all regionals. If the scuttlebut is true at Envoy about the plummeting ability of many new-hires to complete training, it means the camel is already starting to wobble, it’s just not noticeable enough yet (which maybe some don’t want it to be). I think when the camel does collapse, it will be fairly rapid. I wonder if Envoy will attempt to make liberal use of Force Majeure in such a situation ? More likely, Envoy ALPA will grant some form of relief on the flow for dimes or quarters on the dollar elsewhere.

    The bottom line is that the regionals ARE running out of pilots. IF it is true about Envoy’s training issues, it shows there are FAR less truly qualified pilots (in aptitude) then there was in the past regardless of how many pilots they are pushing in the front door. The next year or three will be interesting indeed.

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