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    Endeavor rates in their TA: 200 FO starts at: DOS/DOS+1/DOS/+2/DOS+3
    Y1 50.16/ 50.66/ 51.42/ 52.19
    Y2 56.95/ 57.52/ 58.38/ 59.26
    Y3 60.01/ 60.61/ 61.52/ 62.44
    Y4 61.97
    Y5 63.02
    Y6 64.46
    Y7 65.74

    900 FO
    Same for Y1
    Y2 59.17/59.76/60.66/61.57
    Y3 61.65/62.27/63.20/64.15
    Y4 63.24/63.87/64.83/65.80
    Y5 64.50
    Y6 65.78
    Y7 67.09
    CA200
    Y1. 84.40
    Y2. 86.24
    Y3. 88.15
    Y4. 90.10
    Y5. 92.09
    Y6. 94.17
    Y7. 96.31
    Y8. 98.49
    Y9. 100.76
    Y10 103.09
    Y11 105.49
    Y12 107.96
    Y13 111.15
    Y14 113.89
    Y15 117.70

    CA900
    Y1 88.72
    Y2 90.70
    Y3 92.73
    Y4 94.81
    Y5 96.96
    Y6 99.18
    Y7 101.47
    Y8 103.82
    Y9 106.24
    Y10 108.75
    Y11 111.30
    Y13 113.95
    Y14 116.65
    Y15 119.39
    Y16 122.20......top out DOS+7 133.62

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    Now let's see envoy match

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    To remain competitive with regards to recruiting, they're going to have to do something.

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    They’ve already upped the bonus. And “here we flow now” are keeping the CAs at bay, including myself. They won’t do a thing until new hire numbers dwindle.

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    I guess they still have to vote "yes" on that TA. And if you compare our new reserve LOA to their new TA reserve section, ours is a joke! :-/
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    Quote Originally Posted by xpanterica View Post
    To remain competitive with regards to recruiting, they're going to have to do something.
    Not really. Sure, they always could, but they are getting what THEY need with the present pay schemes angled toward recruiting. That's what pilots need to understand when looking at what might or might not be done in these situations. In all likelihood, the reserve LOA is also what (for the most part) they (not necessarily you the pilots) need.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ju104 View Post
    I guess they still have to vote "yes" on that TA. And if you compare our new reserve LOA to their new TA reserve section, ours is a joke! :-/
    Delta isn't stupid and they and their affiliate are industry leaders, not followers. They don't just talk the talk, they walk the walk (at least on a far different level then AAG). This is simply the beginning of their efforts to protect their operation by defending their feed source. United will too. Once that is in full swing and poaching is all but over, new rules kick in and a sobering new reality will be in place. Without competitors pilots to poach with the trickle-thru lure, Envoy/PSA/Piedmont will be in trouble. Hopefully, they'll have a plan for that, but I'm not optimistic about the can kickers.

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    And RSV...
    Reserve rules significantly changed:
    12 days off Min
    4 hours per day
    Long Call Reserve with 12 hour call out.
    Plus additional benefits too long to list.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ardvark View Post
    Now let's see envoy match
    LOL that's funny.

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    you missed the 200 CA pay scales which blow ENY's away

    Captain scale goes to 15 years, FO scale to 7 years.

    200 FO starts at: DOS/DOS+1/DOS/+2/DOS+3
    Y1 50.16/ 50.66/ 51.42/ 52.19
    Y2 56.95/ 57.52/ 58.38/ 59.26
    Y3 60.01/ 60.61/ 61.52/ 62.44
    Y4 61.97
    Y5 63.02
    Y6 64.46
    Y7 65.74

    900 FO
    Same for Y1
    Y2 59.17/59.76/60.66/61.57
    Y3 61.65/62.27/63.20/64.15
    Y4 63.24/63.87/64.83/65.80
    Y5 64.50
    Y6 65.78
    Y7 67.09


    CA200
    Y1. 84.40
    Y2. 86.24
    Y3. 88.15
    Y4. 90.10
    Y5. 92.09
    Y6. 94.17
    Y7. 96.31
    Y8. 98.49
    Y9. 100.76
    Y10 103.09
    Y11 105.49
    Y12 107.96
    Y13 111.15
    Y14 113.89
    Y15 117.70

    CA900
    Y1 88.72
    Y2 90.70
    Y3 92.73
    Y4 94.81
    Y5 96.96
    Y6 99.18
    Y7 101.47
    Y8 103.82
    Y9 106.24
    Y10 108.75
    Y11 111.30
    Y13 113.95
    Y14 116.65
    Y15 119.39
    Y16 122.20......top out DOS+7 133.62


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    New Hire freeze is 18 months, starts Jan 1, and applies to current FOs.
    New Hire bonus can go up to 20,000.

    Reserve is up to 12 days off,

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    83 hours based pay increase. Longevity increased to 15 years for CA, and 7 years for FO. 1%, 1.5%, 2% pay increases in 2019, 2023 and 2024 respectively.

    Per diem goes up 10 cents in 2018. About $100 additional a year using 83 hours. Bumped to $1.85 in 2019, $1.95 in 2023.

    401k: Company will still only match 3% for newbies, but at 100% instead of 50%. So, you only have to put in 3% of your pay to get the company's max contribution rather than the previous 6%. Still have to have more than 5 years service to get anything better. No big loss on the company's part here.

    FTIs up to 100 hours now including ground instructors.

    Sick leave: get another 1 hour accrual per month.

    Commuters, 2nd flight will be positive space on any Delta branded metal.

    Seniority numbers based on last 4 digits of SSN.

    New hire freeze of 18 months. No freeze to upgrade to CA though.

    Build-ups can bid in PBS possibly.

    Reserve rules significantly changed:
    12 days off Min
    4 hours per day
    Long Call Reserve with 12 hour call out.
    Some additional benies too long to list here

    New hires can get up to $20k at company's discretion.

    Vacation: 3 weeks starting 2021.

    Hotel changes.

    NYC Co-Domicile.

    Contract extended to Jan 1 2024.

    Fleet increased via LOA to 109 76-seaters instead of 81 now. Committed through Jan 1 2026.

    Flow: "Delta commits that it will not offer a more favorable career progression program at any carrier that is more favorable than the terms in effect at Endeavor."
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    To remain competitive with regards to recruiting, they're going to have to do something.
    They'll do nothing and wonder why their flood of applicants turns to a trickle.

    They’ve already upped the bonus. And “here we flow now” are keeping the CAs at bay, including myself. They won’t do a thing until new hire numbers dwindle.
    Yep. They'll be caught flat-footed again.

    There's a Q&A with Ric today at the ETC @1630. Wonder if anybody will put him on the spot?
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    Sad reality is, these AAG cheerleaders will still say we offer a better product. “Blah blah, slurp slurp, flow flow.”

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    There goes dacuj's 100 per month new hires. Doubt they get 50 a month after feb. 2018.

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    From Cujo: "Flow: "Delta commits that it will not offer a more favorable career progression program at any carrier that is more favorable than the terms in effect at Endeavor.""

    Do they now have a flow or is it still the SSP? As much as this TA blows our current situation out of the water (save for PBS), there is still a difference between an SSP (pass rate of 50% I've heard, but I'd need confirmation on that, so grain of salt applied), and a pure flow through.

    To Dacuj/Phins/175 - flowthrough doesn't nearly make up for the increases in pay and qol they just got, I hope you realize that.

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    I believe they interview at delta, so yes

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    Quote Originally Posted by ardvark View Post
    I believe they interview at delta, so yes
    I'll bet it's much easier to maintain a good track record at Endeavor in that environment considering what I hear about their QWL and treatment (this TA notwithstanding) and become that which Delta WANTS to hire vs. struggling to survive for 6-7 years in an environment set up (whether they want that or not) to get you in hot water or sicken you trying to stay out of it just to flow to AA. I think it's a classic tale of two very different realities, that being one that has a culture that needs little or no change and another that was the poster boy for dysfunctionality and was promised change, but subsequently reneged upon. What suffices at the latter (at least on this forum) to make up the difference is the arrival of hucksters to convince pilots the Earth is flat, all is well and not to pay attention to the man behind the curtain (or the "haters").

    The message here (and yet ANOTHER message it is of consistency), is that times are changing for pilots and if a company doesn't want to be left out in the cold, they either change with the times and match their competitors in both substance and spirit or lose out. The true regional pilot crisis hasn't even matured yet and the competition is aggressive about creating value and respect among their pilots whom they recognize they need to retain to survive and prosper. BTW, just saw an APA blast about the staggering number of contract violations occuring there and one must remember, that is the supposed utopia being sold as THE place to be in the future.

    Doesn't sound all that enticing to me when considering where AA's competition is regarding the relationship with their pilots.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Beagleboy View Post
    I'll bet it's much easier to maintain a good track record at Endeavor in that environment considering what I hear about their QWL and treatment (this TA notwithstanding) and become that which Delta WANTS to hire vs. struggling to survive for 6-7 years in an environment set up (whether they want that or not) to get you in hot water or sicken you trying to stay out of it just to flow to AA. I think it's a classic tale of two very different realities, that being one that has a culture that needs little or no change and another that was the poster boy for dysfunctionality and was promised change, but subsequently reneged upon. What suffices at the latter (at least on this forum) to make up the difference is the arrival of hucksters to convince pilots the Earth is flat, all is well and not to pay attention to the man behind the curtain (or the "haters").

    The message here (and yet ANOTHER message it is of consistency), is that times are changing for pilots and if a company doesn't want to be left out in the cold, they either change with the times and match their competitors in both substance and spirit or lose out. The true regional pilot crisis hasn't even matured yet and the competition is aggressive about creating value and respect among their pilots whom they recognize they need to retain to survive and prosper. BTW, just saw an APA blast about the staggering number of contract violations occuring there and one must remember, that is the supposed utopia being sold as THE place to be in the future.

    Doesn't sound all that enticing to me when considering where AA's competition is regarding the relationship with their pilots.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Vne View Post
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    But But Envoy has the industry flow!!!

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