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    Quote Originally Posted by Pancakes View Post
    Remember when they said the Titanic would never sink? 🙈
    I don't know what you are really driving at here but the flow is contractual. As in black and white. Go take a good hard look at the agreement instead of wasting everybody's time blowing hot air here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DolphinsFan View Post
    I don't know what you are really driving at here but the flow is contractual. As in black and white. Go take a good hard look at the agreement instead of wasting everybody's time blowing hot air here.
    If only contracts were iron clad and unbreakable would life be grand. In fact, life would be much better if contracts were always honored by both parties. We know...........well most of us anyway, that life isn't always grand and all to frequently isn't better when it comes to some parties and the contracts they "ink".

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    Quote Originally Posted by DolphinsFan View Post
    I don't know what you are really driving at here but the flow is contractual. As in black and white. Go take a good hard look at the agreement instead of wasting everybody's time blowing hot air here.
    So was the reserve turn back. Your point?

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    Quote Originally Posted by eaglepilot View Post
    So was the reserve turn back. Your point?
    Sounds to me like you are making stuff up just to keep trying to get everyone to "pile on" against the company. Like I said before, the flow is contractual and the company would be shooting themselves in their own kneecap by violating any part of this agreement in today's conditions. What about this do you not understand?

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    Quote Originally Posted by DolphinsFan View Post
    ..........in today's conditions.
    A critical distinction you seem to discount. Tomorrow's conditions won't necessarily resemble today's. Given that though, how do you judge what is a potential possibility (not a certainty) of such a future conundrum ? Why, looking at the past and present, of course. It's what any rational person would do and what does the past and present demonstrate regarding contractual respect at Envoy towards pilots ?

    I think that answer is more then obvious. I don't think anyone is "piling on" your company, just acknowledging an obvious reality based on the past and present. Besides, these conflicts are borne of your little cadres efforts to peddle fantasy.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Beagleboy View Post
    A critical distinction you seem to discount. Tomorrow's conditions won't necessarily resemble today's. Given that though, how do you judge what is a potential possibility (not a certainty) of such a future conundrum ? Why, looking at the past and present, of course. It's what any rational person would do and what does the past and present demonstrate regarding contractual respect at Envoy towards pilots ?

    I think that answer is more then obvious. I don't think anyone is "piling on" your company, just acknowledging an obvious reality based on the past and present. Besides, these conflicts are borne of your little cadres efforts to peddle fantasy.
    Sure, the conditions tomorrow wonít be like todayís. Just like the weather in DFW wonít remain exactly the same for six straight months. The flow is bringing in unprecedented amounts of new hires. It would be a self inflicted gunshot wound to the head by the company if they violate any part of the flow agreement. What about that can your senile mind not understand?

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    Quote Originally Posted by DolphinsFan View Post
    Sure, the conditions tomorrow wonít be like todayís. Just like the weather in DFW wonít remain exactly the same for six straight months. The flow is bringing in unprecedented amounts of new hires. It would be a self inflicted gunshot wound to the head by the company if they violate any part of the flow agreement. What about that can your senile mind not understand?
    Even the senile probably understand that when the new-hires dry up to the point that Envoy can no longer maintain its size, scope or role, it must then shrink. Under such circumstances they may indeed avoid the result you describe and maintain minimum flow rate (which they are doing even in your self proclaimed glut of new-hires, which is a warning sign), for a time, but at some point they will have to choose between stopping the leak or committing Seppuku and bleeding themselves out of existence, either of which leads to the same result. Besides, there are a multitude of external factors outside their control that also lead to the same destination.

    Apparently, the only ones who refuse to grasp that are the feeble minds of certain hapless children hopelessly mired in their own fantasies and petulantly throwing their strained beets across the kitchen when what they don't want to hear is explained to them even in baby speak.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Beagleboy View Post
    Even the senile probably understand that when the new-hires dry up to the point that Envoy can no longer maintain its size, scope or role, it must then shrink. Under such circumstances they may indeed avoid the result you describe and maintain minimum flow rate (which they are doing even in your self proclaimed glut of new-hires, which is a warning sign), for a time, but at some point they will have to choose between stopping the leak or committing Seppuku and bleeding themselves out of existence, either of which leads to the same result. Besides, there are a multitude of external factors outside their control that also lead to the same destination.

    Apparently, the only ones who refuse to grasp that are the feeble minds of certain hapless children hopelessly mired in their own fantasies and petulantly throwing their strained beets across the kitchen when what they don't want to hear is explained to them even in baby speak.
    You have been preaching this bulls*** doom and gloom for several years now. Guess what? Not a damned bit of it has come true. In fact, it's just the reverse. You predicted there's no way we could flow if we couldn't upgrade more than 100 in a year. This was back in 2015 when the upgrade was still around 7 years. Not only did we blow you out of the water on that, we also have blown you out of the water on the hiring numbers. Envoy is hiring RECORD numbers. The last class was so big in fact, we had to delay a few until the next class because there simply wasn't space. As for these large numbers to "run out" soon, absolutely not going to happen. The pipeline is full. Between the pipeline guys, career changers, other 121 guys looking for a better opportunity, 135 guys and various others, we will continue to hire these record numbers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DolphinsFan View Post
    You have been preaching this bulls*** doom and gloom for several years now. Guess what? Not a damned bit of it has come true. In fact, it's just the reverse. You predicted there's no way we could flow if we couldn't upgrade more than 100 in a year. This was back in 2015 when the upgrade was still around 7 years. Not only did we blow you out of the water on that, we also have blown you out of the water on the hiring numbers. Envoy is hiring RECORD numbers. The last class was so big in fact, we had to delay a few until the next class because there simply wasn't space. As for these large numbers to "run out" soon, absolutely not going to happen. The pipeline is full. Between the pipeline guys, career changers, other 121 guys looking for a better opportunity, 135 guys and various others, we will continue to hire these record numbers.
    When it comes to the flow, the only thing that has been blown is the pilots of Envoy. Here you are doing nothing but spouting mist out of your blowhole in perpetuity that Envoy is hiring record numbers (for now) and not only are they STILL flowing at minimum rate, but at present, not flowing anyone at all ! All these new-hires also aren't putting Envoy in a good enough position to avoid FORCING F/O's into the left seat against their will or what appears the imminent end run desperation play of hiring street captains.

    Those facts indicate more peril then health. I'm sorry flipper, but the supply of new-hires (for either seat) is not infinite and when that chicken comes home to roost, you'll be sucking eggs. In the meantime, the snail crawl to AA (on an annual basis as some months will likely be nada) should keep crawling again, at minimum rate and the reason for that is Envoy knows the pilot well will run dry sooner rather then later, otherwise they'd be moving pilots to AA above minimum rate and have no problem with captains.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DolphinsFan View Post
    Sounds to me like you are making stuff up just to keep trying to get everyone to "pile on" against the company. Like I said before, the flow is contractual and the company would be shooting themselves in their own kneecap by violating any part of this agreement in today's conditions. What about this do you not understand?
    I'm clearly stating what's obvious; the company has violated black and white contract issues in the past (and still do). I'm not arguing stopping flow would be bad. I'm arguing that they violate black and white contract language frequently so that's not a good excuse to use that for why they won't stop flow.

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