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    Ameriflight is proud to have Flow Through agreements with Frontier Airlines, Allegiant Air and Omni Air International.

    https://w3.ameriflight.com/pilot-opportunities/


    https://w3.ameriflight.com/wp-conten...ge-Image-2.jpg

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    Quote Originally Posted by ttot View Post
    Ameriflight is proud to have Flow Through agreements with Frontier Airlines, Allegiant Air and Omni Air International.

    https://w3.ameriflight.com/pilot-opportunities/


    https://w3.ameriflight.com/wp-conten...ge-Image-2.jpg
    Not sure I'd brag about any of those 4 Airlines.

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    I agree with you on that point, but it shows that the squeeze is on and will be squeezing for pilots even more. ICal, dal and aag going to have to anty up the pot.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ardvark View Post
    I agree with you on that point, but it shows that the squeeze is on and will be squeezing for pilots even more. ICal, dal and aag going to have to anty up the pot.
    No they don't. They all currently have an "endless" number of applicants. I heard AA alone has 10,000+ pilot applications on file, and flow from 3 regionals.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ardvark View Post
    I agree with you on that point, but it shows that the squeeze is on and will be squeezing for pilots even more. ICal, dal and aag going to have to anty up the pot.
    AA has by far the largest pot to fill in the future considering A. AA retirement schedule and B. The heavier reliance on RJ's. Ameriflight is at the bottom of the food chain scraping the same cupboard as Envoy and other regionals, but none of those carriers even approaches AA's voracious future need for pilots, even combined. Since the Universities are expected to produce only about 25% of the future available entry-level pilot pool (according to an article I read) and multiple sources will be tapping into that pool combined with the reality that source IS most of the entry-level pilot pool going forward, it's clear it's only a matter of time before the house of cards collapses. Curiousity seekers and dabblers simply can't fill the gap and there will be plenty of slots in the future for military direct entry above the regional level.

    All the impending industry warning signs are now showing up and this will not only continue, but accelerate. Once Delta and United realize they have to make their move and mimic AA in flow, it will strangle Envoy's recruiting almost overnight by eliminating the poached pilot source leaving only University pilots and stray dabblers and a handful of others from various other sources and that voracious appetite that must be fed, won't be fed. The strategy of the past has always been Band-Aids and can kicking, but this time that won't work. IMO from a pilot recruitment perspective, they'll need a good supply of tourniquets for severed arteries and splints for broken feet because they'll be kicking cinder blocks.

    The only wildcard is the timing depending on the arrival of unforeseen global or industry situations.
    Last edited by Beagleboy; 08-31-2017 at 08:02 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by eaglepilot View Post
    No they don't. They all currently have an "endless" number of applicants. I heard AA alone has 10,000+ pilot applications on file, and flow from 3 regionals.
    That is a misreading of the situation IMO. AA HAD more applications then that at the peak, but it is dwindling. Virtually all of the applications are on file at all three legacies (and probably most LCC's and FedEx and UPS) and so it is more apt to see it as a pool of industry applicants and not something AA alone can always tap into. Many aren't competitive and a portion probably not hirable for one reason or another. Many have already been hired elsewhere, so many of those just haven't been updated or dropped out of file yet. I think it's a mistake to think the supply of pilots to "major" (legacy, LCC, premium freight) carriers is "endless". Besides, since AA is and likely will continue to rely more heavily on RJ's then their competitors, they need pilots who will to come to a regional and that is one area that will cripple AA more and faster then the others. Also, I think it's widely understood that AA (like Envoy) is the least financially lucrative of all three legacies and FedEx/UPS (and even an LCC or two) and has an inferior reputation of how they view and treat their pilots compared to their equivalent peers, which I'm sure no one needs to explain to you. IMO, the bottom line is AAG is setting themselves up to take the worst of the future storm when it hits by either inaction, disregard, ignorance or really a combination of all three. One approach AAG IS doubling down on to mitigate some exposure is increased code-sharing, but that is simply another negative about AA vs. their competitors insofar as pilot prosperity and advancement are concerned. If you work for AA or any of their WO feeders, everyone has an interest on the success of AAG, so it should be alarming and of serious concern both what they are doing and not doing.

    That is unless of course, you are looking for an exit out of AAG.
    Last edited by Beagleboy; 08-31-2017 at 08:25 AM.

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    I'm developing an American Airlines playset. Comes with an MD-80, baggage carts, tugs, jetbridge, airport ramp and gate agent action figures and....
    a Beagleboy FO action figure with a string in his back. Pull the string and you get a variety of phrases:

    Flow is going to stop.
    Envoy isn't going to be able to hire.
    Flow will be severly reduced or curtailed.
    Envoy will be crippled due to lack of new hires.
    New hires aren't really available anymore, Envoy is scraping the bottom of the barrel.

    So, you can play with you new set while watching Envoy bringing in the new hires by the BOATLOADS every month as we have been doing for the past TWO YEARS.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dacuj View Post
    I'm developing an American Airlines playset. Comes with an MD-80, baggage carts, tugs, jetbridge, airport ramp and gate agent action figures and....
    a Beagleboy FO action figure with a string in his back. Pull the string and you get a variety of phrases:

    Flow is going to stop.
    Envoy isn't going to be able to hire.
    Flow will be severly reduced or curtailed.
    Envoy will be crippled due to lack of new hires.
    New hires aren't really available anymore, Envoy is scraping the bottom of the barrel.

    So, you can play with you new set while watching Envoy bringing in the new hires by the BOATLOADS every month as we have been doing for the past TWO YEARS.
    Let me know when you complete production and I might just be your first customer. Of course, since you have a long, well documented history of misrepresenting your product, I reserve the right to cancel at any time. 😎

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    This was mentioned in the 2Q2018 Q and A.

    It cost upwards of $100,000 to get the required 1,500 hours of flight time to become a pilot. For many people like me who have always dreamed of being a pilot, the cost definitely hampers those dreams. Is American planning anything to help prospective pilots get to the 1,500 hours?

    Great question! American has put in place a solid pilot recruitment team led by Capt. David Tatum. In March, American introduced the Flight School Grant program, providing flight schools around the country with the opportunity to submit ideas that would increase aviator interest in airline careers. American is also in the early stages of planning several other exciting programs, one of which may benefit team members at American who are short on flight hours. Stay tuned for more information when we have it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Glo227 View Post
    This was mentioned in the 2Q2018 Q and A.

    It cost upwards of $100,000 to get the required 1,500 hours of flight time to become a pilot. For many people like me who have always dreamed of being a pilot, the cost definitely hampers those dreams. Is American planning anything to help prospective pilots get to the 1,500 hours?

    Great question! American has put in place a solid pilot recruitment team led by Capt. David Tatum. In March, American introduced the Flight School Grant program, providing flight schools around the country with the opportunity to submit ideas that would increase aviator interest in airline careers. American is also in the early stages of planning several other exciting programs, one of which may benefit team members at American who are short on flight hours. Stay tuned for more information when we have it.
    Ideas are being submitted at Flight schools and planning (early stage) is occuring for "exiting" programs ? Color me skeptical that whatever they come up with will solve this problem. Even if they instituted whatever, it will take years to cultivate a pilot to minimum requirements and some with the desire will be deemed not to have the aptitude or lose interest . Not bad for flight schools, but not so good for airlines. Another told the story of basically how all new-hires are "terrible", so much so, they are the topic of scorn behind their backs, so if many of the captains will come straight off the street and that's what's being now or soon kicked out onto the line, what happens when two terrible pilots try to teach each other ? That's not good for anyone. In the 60's they had ab-initio courses for aspiring pilots whereby airlines paid for 200 hours and Commercial licenses. The quantity of pilots soon needed and the staggeringly more expensive costs will make that much more difficult IMO as back then, this profession was seen as much more lucrative and glamorous, whereas now, it's been gutted to a fraction of those qualities. It's a classic example of killing the Golden Goose. They are willing to spend all kinds of money on aircraft, infrastructure and keeping "talent" in management but virtually nothing to return this profession to something enough people WANT to do.

    Shiny planes, pretty terminals, but no pilots. No pilots, no flights - No flights, no revenue - No revenue, no business.

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