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    Quote Originally Posted by No Tuna In Cockpit View Post
    Nope, the PHL 145s are going to come from the PDT merger. YOU HEARD IT HERE FIRST!
    I was just thinking, "Hey, doesn't PDT have a PHL 145 base???", so why would we also do a PHL 145 base, unless that is step 1 of integrated operations with PDT...

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    Kinda make ya go, hmmmmm.

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    Because they can't staff their own bases, so here we come to the rescue.
    Like Dacuj will say..."to infinity and beyond."

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    So to be clear, there is NOT a vacancy bid, despite the title of the thread. Well played dacu.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Griff312 View Post
    I was just thinking, "Hey, doesn't PDT have a PHL 145 base???", so why would we also do a PHL 145 base, unless that is step 1 of integrated operations with PDT...
    It's going to happen eventually, just like it did before. But it is nice to see we're still being used as the stop-gap airline. Envoy to the rescue!
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    Ric's letter today says most likely ORD 175 next year.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vne View Post
    It's going to happen eventually, just like it did before. But it is nice to see we're still being used as the stop-gap airline. Envoy to the rescue!
    Agreed
    A merge and integration with PDT has made sense and has been talked about since the mainline coupling. They'll only be able to put it off for so long. It's all part of the cyclical nature of the industry and the corporate history of AMR/AAG.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NoOtPilot View Post
    Because they can't staff their own bases, so here we come to the rescue.
    Like Dacuj will say..."to infinity and beyond."
    Except we can't staff our flying either, especially up in ORD.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sirsnacksalot View Post
    Agreed
    A merge and integration with PDT has made sense and has been talked about since the mainline coupling. They'll only be able to put it off for so long. It's all part of the cyclical nature of the industry and the corporate history of AMR/AAG.
    Another ALPA carrier = DOH merger. Felt that with BEX.

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    Quote Originally Posted by eaglepilot View Post
    Except we can't staff our flying either, especially up in ORD.
    This post brought to you by ComAir II and the CF/goat rope that followed!

    Couldn't resist.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Layman View Post
    Another ALPA carrier = DOH merger. Felt that with BEX.
    Negative.

    This was brought up when the merger was mentioned a few years ago when PDT had less than 2 year upgrade and we were still sitting at 8. A SLI with them would not put that 2 year CA back in the right seat for 6 years.

    Was the year 2007 when ALPA changed their merger policy? There are like 3 factors they use like current status and career expectation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by snippercr View Post
    Negative.

    This was brought up when the merger was mentioned a few years ago when PDT had less than 2 year upgrade and we were still sitting at 8. A SLI with them would not put that 2 year CA back in the right seat for 6 years.

    Was the year 2007 when ALPA changed their merger policy? There are like 3 factors they use like current status and career expectation.
    Status & Category, Longevity and Career Expectations.

    That being said, IIRC there is no weight that is slated for each factor and so there is no real way to form any expectation of just how an ALPA/ALPA pilot group merger may go down. In the case of Envoy (assuming it involves one or both WO's), the 3-month upgrade (or even worse a street captain reality) wouldn't seem to help Envoy pilots in any of the 3 considerations. Likewise, if the other carrier(s) also have a similar flow projection, Envoy pilots won't necessarily benefit from that either as even though the number of pilots at Envoy who flow in any given month is greater then the others, they have considerably smaller pilot groups so it would likely be a percentage that is very similar to Envoy's. One would think senior pilots who have passed up on the flow would not be factored into that specific equation, but who knows. I don't think Envoy pilots would lose in a merger/SLI with one or both WO's, but wouldn't gain and basically break even as no windfalls are in theory something to be avoided. Of course, looking at the AA/U merger, the former America West pilots clearly hit the jackpot at the expense of others, especially junior legacy AA and arguably received a windfall, but that wasn't an ALPA related merger, so ALPA merger policy was inapplicable, although was used to some degree.

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    I don't see a merger happening anytime soon. Why would AAG go through the hassle of creating a E145 program from scratch at Piedmont only to merge the two shortly after. Envoy will continue to be the stop-gap, filling in where others can't staff. The end goal is for Envoy to be an all E175 operator and Piedmont will most likely continue to take E145s as long as they can staff them. However, a merger is very possible if Piedmont starts having pilot staffing issues. Just my opinion.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Toliptihs View Post
    I don't see a merger happening anytime soon. Why would AAG go through the hassle of creating a E145 program from scratch at Piedmont only to merge the two shortly after. Envoy will continue to be the stop-gap, filling in where others can't staff. The end goal is for Envoy to be an all E175 operator and Piedmont will most likely continue to take E145s as long as they can staff them. However, a merger is very possible if Piedmont starts having pilot staffing issues. Just my opinion.
    I agree it's still a wildcard at this point. But, mergers are time-consuming (and initially costly) and don't provide their benefits until some future point, so simply because AAG is doing X today shouldn't be a good indication they'll do Y tomorrow. I use the term "tomorrow" literally in this case, because if and when it happens, likely there will be no notice or rumor. For now (the VERY immediate future) it would seem a consolidation isn't necessary, but in 1 year or 2 years ? Plus, if it is identified that choice is ultimately in the cards, would more controlled and planned timing be better or hasty reactionary action ? Considering the future of regional pilot availability which will be a major driving force for change in this segment of the airline industry, consolidation is likely as the weak collapse and thus the stronger find it either strategically beneficial or even mandatory they acquire those weakened assets.

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    Quote Originally Posted by eaglepilot View Post
    Lol no.
    Hahaha...I know. Just wanted to see what other nonsense Dacuj had to spew. There is no way in hell we are opening a base in PHL.

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    Quote Originally Posted by schmuck View Post
    Hahaha...I know. Just wanted to see what other nonsense Dacuj had to spew. There is no way in hell we are opening a base in PHL.
    Regardless of the validity of that claim, he's just dragging a lure around the water in the hope of attracting a few new fish. Most on shore know his bait is worthless.

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    Quote Originally Posted by schmuck View Post
    Hahaha...I know. Just wanted to see what other nonsense Dacuj had to spew. There is no way in hell we are opening a base in PHL.
    I actually wouldn't be surprised to see a PHL base. AAG needs someone to cover the lift when Air Wisconsin leaves in a few short months (by February, I believe), and PDT with their 7 month backup in training isn't gonna cut it quite yet. They're also retiring their Dash-8-100s, and that will cause even more havoc in training over there.

    We will be temporary in PHL, but if I were a betting man I'd put money on us having a presence there for a little while.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Beagleboy View Post
    Regardless of the validity of that claim, he's just dragging a lure around the water in the hope of attracting a few new fish. Most on shore know his bait is worthless.
    See, that's why Dacuj is just a line pilot taking the piss. There's no one here to throw bait to - luring prospective new hires is the domain of APC. We are all either Envoy pilots or employed in greener pastures on this board. He knows that full well and still comes on here acting like a wild cowboy. It gets a response, and an actor like himself loves the feedback from his audience.

    The biggest red flag that he's a character though? His claim that AA has better customer service than Delta. LOLOLOLOL

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    Dacu has said that there will be a new base within 2 months. His post date is 8/20. If by 10/20 there is no new base where I can buy a cheese steak at, I recommend banning him from this forum for 2 months after 10/20/17.

    I remember someone tried a big announcement rumor on another site. When it didn't come to fruition, banned.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sirflyer View Post
    Dacu has said that there will be a new base within 2 months. His post date is 8/20. If by 10/20 there is no new base where I can buy a cheese steak at, I recommend banning him from this forum for 2 months after 10/20/17.

    I remember someone tried a big announcement rumor on another site. When it didn't come to fruition, banned.
    You can get a cheesesteak in LGA at that bar outside C Concourse. Don't despair!

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