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    http://www.aviationpros.com/press_re...r-waas-upgrade

    Tucson, AZ - July 20, 2017 Envoy Air has selected Universal Avionics SBAS-FMS for the regional airline's WAAS upgrade program on their fleet of Embraer EMB-140 and EMB-145 aircraft. The upgrade includes dual UNS-1Lw FMSs, providing Envoy with a navigation source for ADS-B Out and the latest in capabilities and operational efficiencies.

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    Well, any plane that wants to fly in controlled airspace in 2020 will be required to have adsb out. I know these planes are getting old, but I've heard they are good to 60k hours/cycles, which is still a ways off. Who knows.

    It will be interesting to see what options they got with this FMS, as it seems pretty capable, and adsb in can bring some helpful information such as nexrad and other weather information.


    I'm sure they didn't spare any expense...

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    I hope it gives us dual unilink back again.

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    Quote Originally Posted by snippercr View Post
    I hope it gives us dual unilink back again.
    It will, as well as VNAV coupling on GPS approaches. This according to the fleet manager.

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    Quote Originally Posted by No Tuna In Cockpit View Post
    It will, as well as VNAV coupling on GPS approaches. This according to the fleet manager.
    Thats how I heard it as well. Not sure if it will allow us LNAV/VNAV or the LPV minimums. Either way, it will be a nice addition to our tired ol birds.

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    Quote Originally Posted by snippercr View Post
    Thats how I heard it as well. Not sure if it will allow us LNAV/VNAV or the LPV minimums. Either way, it will be a nice addition to our tired ol birds.
    If I understand how it was explained to me correctly.... LPV minimums would require sim training, LNAV/VNAV would not. The last thing they need right now in the TD is to have to run everyone through training right now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by No Tuna In Cockpit View Post
    If I understand how it was explained to me correctly.... LPV minimums would require sim training, LNAV/VNAV would not. The last thing they need right now in the TD is to have to run everyone through training right now.
    Why, they busy?

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    Quote Originally Posted by snippercr View Post
    Why, they busy?
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    Quote Originally Posted by snippercr View Post
    Why, they busy?
    I actually laughed out loud at that. Brevity and all that.
    From what I'm hearing the 140/145s are looking at getting the FMS upgrade (yes, Virginia, 2 whole unilinks and VNAV!), and possibly WiFi due to passenger demand and P-model engine upgrades to avoid weight restrictions out of LGA.
    Could end up being pretty nice.

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    Quote Originally Posted by No Tuna In Cockpit View Post
    It will, as well as VNAV coupling on GPS approaches. This according to the fleet manager.
    Without auto throttles? Pfffft

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    Aircraft 688 will be the first one.

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    It's unbelievable they've been dragging their feet on wifi.

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    Quote Originally Posted by No Tuna In Cockpit View Post
    If I understand how it was explained to me correctly.... LPV minimums would require sim training, LNAV/VNAV would not. The last thing they need right now in the TD is to have to run everyone through training right now.

    LPV is flown exactly like an ILS. There's nothing special for doing them other than having a WAAS GPS. If we get actual vnav capability as rumored then we might have to train for that vertical mode specifically. Not so much the LPV procedures themselves.


    I flew LPV approaches extensively as a lowly CFI in rusty old GA planes with comparatively cheap GPSs. Much prefer them over ILS, much more reliable, and there's nearly double the amount of LPV approaches out there than ILS.



    IMO the biggest issue is Envoy itself getting certified to do these things. The 175 is capable from the factory of LPV, autoland, autobrakes, HUD, etc etc but theres nothing on the OPs specs authorizing such things, or the company is too cheap to get them. By comparison RAH and compass have the autobrake option, not sure about their LPV capability though. Getting the FAA's approval is what's going to be the hold up, as usual.
    Last edited by unattendedbag; 08-04-2017 at 01:33 PM. Reason: certification comments

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    Quote Originally Posted by flyinsol0 View Post
    Well, any plane that wants to fly in controlled airspace in 2020 will be required to have adsb out. I know these planes are getting old, but I've heard they are good to 60k hours/cycles, which is still a ways off. Who knows.

    It will be interesting to see what options they got with this FMS, as it seems pretty capable, and adsb in can bring some helpful information such as nexrad and other weather information.


    I'm sure they didn't spare any expense...

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    Our oldest bird 600BP had little over 50k last I flew it when scheduling kept sending me to ABI for a bunch of confidence checks or whatever you called them (plane was such a turd). Piedmont has it now though, and that was over a year ago since I last flew that turd, I'm sure its well past 60k by the time PDT got it.

    Our last 145 delivered, 942LL, just broke 30k hours recently.


    No way in hell we'll have the FMS fully optioned out. It's almost the same exact unit we have now, but with WAAS. And while it can get FIS-B data, I really really doubt they'll shell out the $$ for it.
    Last edited by unattendedbag; 08-06-2017 at 03:21 PM. Reason: corrected 942's TTAF

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    AA went to embraer and ask for a bare bones 175. Could have had everything. However that would cost money. Didn't even want to opt for the over water.

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