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    I've been told Envoy and the Union while working on some contract modifications and improvements, one of the topics brought up was low time First Officers.
    Apparently many First Officers will face short time when upgrade became available to them. I'm not sure what ideas were brought up, but they want to have low time First Officers flying more.
    Street Captain soon?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ttot View Post
    I've been told Envoy and the Union while working on some contract modifications and improvements, one of the topics brought up was low time First Officers.
    Apparently many First Officers will face short time when upgrade became available to them. I'm not sure what ideas were brought up, but they want to have low time First Officers flying more.
    Street Captain soon?
    Nah. They'll just stop the flow.

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    In before Dacuj spins this into proof about how great it is to be here because of low upgrade time.

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    Aren't they supposed to be working on reserve rules?

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    Why is the union constantly in charge of fixing the company's messes?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jersdawg View Post
    Why is the union constantly in charge of fixing the company's messes?
    Because they want to flow to AA ASAP. They don't plan on being Envoy lifers, so long-term interests of Envoy pilots really aren't their concern. Individually and collectively (and psychologically too) they are most concerned with what gets them out the door.

    What happens after that is the next reps problem, but inevitably the philosophical cycle just repeats itself much like a dog watching another chasing his tail does it too. It's fabulous for the company..........not such much for the pilot group as a whole though.

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    S,o,p.

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    now would be a good time for ALPA national to work out a national seniority list.
    Fence it to protect those currently on their own property; but it would allow for seniority portability.
    This would force airlines to compete for pilots based upon pay & work rules since they could easily leave and go elsewhere without having to start over.

    GoJets is already offering longevity transfer. It is going to be coming as a new recruitment tool, especially when they can't upgrade enough FO's

    We should get ahead of it now for our benefit, not managements..... probably too out of the box for ALPA.....
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    Come on! You of all people should know this is nothing more than a logical pipe dream.

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    Any leads on rates around the DFW area for aircraft rentals? Im slated to upgrade next year and need some more Total.

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    Quote Originally Posted by E175ERAUDriver View Post
    Any leads on rates around the DFW area for aircraft rentals? Im slated to upgrade next year and need some more Total.
    I assume trolling, but just in case...
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    Quote Originally Posted by DilsonWic View Post
    Come on! You of all people should know this is nothing more than a logical pipe dream.
    except a place like GoJets is already offering longevity transfer as a recruiting tool.
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    I would love if we could take the most important part of our job with us, experience. But you know. Follow the money, and it doesn't add up to saving the airlines money.

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    We have flow, we don't need longevity pay transfer for pilots to come to envoy.
    They can give major pay raises across the board plus flow they will be knocking down the door to get in or just merge the w/o's and you problem is taken care of.

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