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    Quote Originally Posted by PREVEMB View Post
    When were you hired? I thought I was looking at the most recent but I could be wrong. I'm going to have to sign in and check.
    Fall of 2010. I'm looking at the interactive list on the ALPA site, dated June 24th.

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    I will also add that the interactive list includes "years to American" in a seaparate column. The shortest flow time is for March 2016 hires, 5.34 years. It hovers around 5.5 for a few months then begins to creep up. A new hire hired today will flow in 7.37 years. This is all at minimum flow rate with no attrition accounted for - or slow hiring/no December classes.

    The contractual flow rates, as a reminder: Protected Pilots - 25/month, Bankruptcy Flows - 15/month, Post Current Contract Flows - 17/month.

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    Quote Originally Posted by V1 ROT8 View Post
    Phin: This is the level that you've been reduced to? Straight to the personal attacks?
    That's the level they've always been at, so there's been no "reduction". When they are bankrupt of coherent and valid rebuttal regarding the criticisms and complaints about Envoy or the inflated, inaccurate or assumptive claims that they make regarding such, they result to insult. If you look at the post history, you'll see they dominate in that tactic.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jersdawg View Post
    Fall of 2010. I'm looking at the interactive list on the ALPA site, dated June 24th.
    Whew, got worried for a minute. Yes, I'm looking at the ALPA interactive list also. It's showing Jul of 18. Still, I'm not expecting even that to happen. And while I've had no luck with the other majors, that doesn't mean I'm going to stop trying between now and that hypothetical flow date. I think Beagleboy has been pretty accurate in his forecasts vs. the company cheerleaders out there who are only looking at the best case scenario and then fudging from there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PREVEMB View Post
    Whew, got worried for a minute. Yes, I'm looking at the ALPA interactive list also. It's showing Jul of 18. Still, I'm not expecting even that to happen. And while I've had no luck with the other majors, that doesn't mean I'm going to stop trying between now and that hypothetical flow date. I think Beagleboy has been pretty accurate in his forecasts vs. the company cheerleaders out there who are only looking at the best case scenario and then fudging from there.
    So you're admitting it. You are gonna flow. And nobody is fudging anything there detractor. It's YOU who are making up all this BS in your head with the whole 6 other detractors on this board with multiple screen names.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dacuj View Post
    So you're admitting it. You are gonna flow. And nobody is fudging anything there detractor. It's YOU who are making up all this BS in your head with the whole 6 other detractors on this board with multiple screen names.
    Nobody has denied the fact that they are going to flow. They're denying your false claim that it will happen in 5 years for a new hire.

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    Quote Originally Posted by schmuck View Post
    Nobody has denied the fact that they are going to flow. They're denying your false claim that it will happen in 5 years for a new hire.
    You mean like you and the other schmucks denied the 2 year upgrade? Got it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Turboprop View Post
    You mean like you and the other schmucks denied the 2 year upgrade? Got it.
    Spot on brotha! These jacka**es on here wouldn't know the stock deal of a lifetime if it slapped them across the face. Looks like our 10%ers are low intelligence along with bitter, angry and just outright being haters as well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Turboprop View Post
    You mean like you and the other schmucks denied the 2 year upgrade? Got it.
    Hey man, the numbers are in, and it's a 7.34 flow for someone hired today. The company will have to increase the flow for that to improve. Believe me, I would love it if they did that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Turboprop View Post
    You mean like you and the other schmucks denied the 2 year upgrade? Got it.
    The big difference there, 2 years was at least theoretically possible if we could somehow get the new hires. Ric Wilson at least had data that backed up his claim. At the time with no pay incentives and hiring 5ish a month, it was highly unlikely that the new hire numbers would match his data. 5 year flow is not theoretically possible based on contractual language and math. Without a change to the contract that sends more bodies to AA every month, you don't get a 5 year flow. But please, I'll continue to wait for one of you salesmen to provide ANY single piece of data to support your claims of how we will magically attain a 5 year flow for new hires.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jersdawg View Post
    Hey man, the numbers are in, and it's a 7.34 flow for someone hired today. The company will have to increase the flow for that to improve. Believe me, I would love it if they did that.
    Him and his crew don't care about numbers. They say it's five years, so that's all that should matter. Why should they explain how they come up with such a claim?

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    Quote Originally Posted by schmuck View Post
    Him and his crew don't care about numbers. They say it's five years, so that's all that should matter. Why should they explain how they come up with such a claim?
    Come on man, get with the program! It's going to be all one list now! Didn't you hear? Bam! Instant AA pilots!
    Warlord of the crewroom.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dacuj View Post
    Spot on brotha! These jacka**es on here wouldn't know the stock deal of a lifetime if it slapped them across the face. Looks like our 10%ers are low intelligence along with bitter, angry and just outright being haters as well.
    I rest my case.

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    I'd like to know when flame was hired date and seat. He said he had a great schedule. I'd like to know when I can plan on getting a good schedule.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jersdawg View Post
    Hey man, the numbers are in, and it's a 7.34 flow for someone hired today. The company will have to increase the flow for that to improve. Believe me, I would love it if they did that.
    So if the 2.5/5.0 was bogus, why should one believe that the 7.34 is legit?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Beagleboy View Post
    I rest my case.
    Rest your case for what you old *******? All you know how to do is write long winded diatribes and then come here and flame bait.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 360DD View Post
    So if the 2.5/5.0 was bogus, why should one believe that the 7.34 is legit?
    2.5/5.0 wasn't bogus. It's actually below that now. Like you would know. Another one who got lucky and slipped through the cracks to AA.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 360DD View Post
    So if the 2.5/5.0 was bogus, why should one believe that the 7.34 is legit?
    this number of 7.34 is taking into account the P.P. flow of a minimum of 25 per month. After the P.P. is done with, it is a percentage of the number of pilots on envoy property, which will be about 7-10 pilots a month flowing on a good month. if they ever get to 5 year flow it will be for a month or two, then it will go to 10 years minimum.
    Sir, can I have another.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DolphinsFan View Post
    2.5/5.0 wasn't bogus. It's actually below that now. Like you would know. Another one who got lucky and slipped through the cracks to AA.
    There is a 2.5 Captain and a 5 year flowthrough? I did not know that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DolphinsFan View Post
    Rest your case for what you old *******? All you know how to do is write long winded diatribes and then come here and flame bait.
    Beagleboy: Your honor, I submit the above additional evidence of the obvious in support of my previous assertion.

    Judge: The court has no alternative but to accept this additional evidence due to its obvious validity for the jury's consideration.

    Jury Foreman: Your honor, we the jury find the defendants guilty as charged on Count 1 - Peddling horsepuckey and claiming it to be reality. As to Count 2 - Offensively belching of obnoxious personal insults in support of and in defense of said horsepuckey, guilty as charged. Finally, as to count 3 - The charge of endlessly embarrassing themselves and soiling this forum with their offensive presence, guilty as charged.

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