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    With multiple conversations concluded ... I have been told that as a PPpilot, I will lose all sick time I.e. Both long term and short. It will just evaporate, "with the companies thanks" -- due to some bad negotiations.
    The 200 long term I knew about but was hoping the short term would at least be paid out since I knew it would not transfer to AA. Unfortunately that won't be the case. With not enough time to take over 100 hours of short term I have built up, my suggestion to the PP pilots that like me that can't use all there sick time before flowing .. is to let it go to some good... donate it to some of the guys that are having issues medically etc... I can't see letting it just evaporate, and at least donating it to a good cause will make you feel better and may even help a fellow envoy crew member out. I'm open to suggestions. What say you all???

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    Excellent idea

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    Maybe the union could work out some kind of sick bank with the company that the PP could donate time to for sick pilots? That would show some good will from them. Damn fine idea you had there, OP!
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    we already have sick donation.
    This is a great idea for the PP to do if they are to lose all sick time anyway as they flow.
    Sir, can I have another.

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    Can you donate long term or just short?

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    Fantastic idea. And if the company isn't going to pay you for the sick time at least they'll pay someone

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    This is by far the best read I had on a forum in a long, long time.
    Excellent idea!

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    You can't donate Long term sick. I always thought "short term sick" was code for vacation.

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    Sorry to say this guys, but the company wants their? Money!!!! Just heard back from the pay folks....they said if I made a declaration for a sic payout 13 months ago I could wait to follow in Jan 2018 and I would get a payout of 50% of anything over 100 hours. About 20 hours I figure and the 100 hours would be lost I.e. To the company😵 So no long term sic, no short term sick, and no what used to be the PTO bank will transfer or be paid out to PPs. And here is the kicker the only thing you can DONATE is your vacation days, nothing else. So all those hours are lost to you, but gained by the company. Nice. In my case that is about 300 plus hours total or about $30,000 dollars just to put it in perspective.
    Anyway donating it to someone in need felt like a good idea, but can't happen .... thanks for playing.

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    Well I guess there is only one thing left to do....

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    Use it or you lose it.

    If not, then don8 the Short Term sick to someone in need. That's what I did before leaving the company.

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    Can you donate long term? I have 200 hrs I'm going to lose

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    I'll bet for most with a couple of hundred hours or more of sick time and flowing within a few years can't use it all without being at risk for being attacked for sick leave abuse which may jeopardize your flow time. I think it wise not to underestimate the spite and ruthlessness that you are subject to (which 2 association reps know all too well) nor the impotence of your association in defending this aspect of your contract. IMO, you are in jail awaiting a parole date and Trumpesque loyalty and good behavior are demanded lest your parole be delayed or cancelled.
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    It won't be that hard to burn most of it, unless you flow in the next couple months. Pick up some OT attached to a 4-day and bang in for the week. 1 sick call ~30+ hours

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    Toliptihs,

    Do that twice and I'll bet they'll call you in, demand a doctor's note and if none, claim it's a pattern and the meesage will be, "you want to flow on time.............rrrrright ?". The primary point of making recent examples out of some high-profile people is to keep the rest of the Chihuahua's meek, compliant and in fear. Your association leaders want to flow ASAP themselves and so they'll not rock the boat. If you've got 200 hours and are slated to flow in 2 years, you won't be able to use 100 hours/year without putting yourself in the cross-hairs, at least that's my view.

    Good luck.

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    Was my understanding step 1 letters were being issued for the 4th sick call with no day in court. Not like they every give you your day. More guilty until an arbitrator decides otherwise.

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    EGF,

    Years ago the association won a battle that prevented the company from claiming sick leave abuse solely based on number of sick occurances. What has changed that allows them again to use an arbitrary, baseless standard to allege abuse ? Did this MEC agree to let management determine what abuse is or are they just agreeing to look the other way ? Perhaps someone could clue us all in why they are apparently doing now what they could not in the past ?

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    Because the union is helpless against the 3rd Reich. At this point the option is to cooperate to make life as tolerable as possible for those still here. Why else would the former negotiating rep flow to American after giving his right to go many years ago. Members of the Union know what is happening. The powers that be are in charge and unfortunately the unions only power now it seems is to be hospice care. Trying to make everyone's last few hours/ years as painless as possible. If the company comes after you individually, the union can and will come to said pilots aid. However, as a pilot group whole, we are just going along for the ride.

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