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    Quote Originally Posted by copycopy View Post
    What the hell does this even mean? They can't refuse flying that the choose to do voluntarily? Or does this mean they can't refuse involuntarily assigned overtime flying (JM)? The sentence doesn't really make sense.
    Quote from the court document:

    "refusal to perform normal pilot operations consistent with the status quo, including but not limited to, slow taxiing, writing up maintenance items, calling in fatigues, delaying flights, refusing to answer a call from crew scheduling, refusing to accept voluntary or overtime flying.."

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    How do you enforce something like that? Slow taxiing? Writing up discrepancies! LOL. Fatigue, well we know the airlines really don't care about fatigue anyways.

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    Quote Originally Posted by copycopy View Post
    What the hell does this even mean? They can't refuse flying that the choose to do voluntarily? Or does this mean they can't refuse involuntarily assigned overtime flying (JM)? The sentence doesn't really make sense.
    I've heard it's a restraining order against ALPA from promoting or coordinating actions against the company. I've also heard pilots supposedly are not required to succumb to indentured servitude, but Spirit may double down and take hostages if enough pilots don't march on order. ALPA though in an effort to protect itself is requesting pilots do all they can to assist company which is in accordance with their self-concerned status. They claim this will assist in quicker resolution to negotiating stalemate which is absurdly laughable. These aspects are just what I've heard. In all likelihood though, true or not, it's likely this will scare off new-hires and increase attrition putting Spirit in **** city in the near future meaning ultimately it will be Spirit management that loses as their situation is aggravated by an expensive spike in attrition making it even more difficult to cover their schedule. Pilots can give 2-week notice, but it takes at least 2 months to train a new-hire. In the past with pilots a dime a dozen, this would be an easy win for Spirit, but now they'll almost certainly screw themselves by taking their most expensive and increasingly scarce asset for granted. Spirit management may have just orchestrated their own Pyrric victory.

    The airlines then wonder why few want to enter this profession. It won't be union or individual pilots conducting either legal or illegal work situations that sink these carriers in the future, but management teams that are playing Russian roulette with their business futures by strangling the supply of their most expensive and scarce asset through alienation. The airline industry has the worst rep it's ever had and cell phones and YouTube are documenting that almost daily now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ardvark View Post
    amr went after apa exactly as the scenario you outlined
    Tilton went after Alpa when they parked the 737s at united. Management claimed ALPA organized. ALPA said no. In the end the pilots were getting furloughed anyway.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ttot View Post
    Quote from the court document:

    "..., slow taxiing..."
    From Safety Alert for Operators SAFO 09004 DATE 2/11/09
    https://www.faa.gov/other_visit/avia.../SAFO09004.pdf

    Slow the aircraft to a fast walking speed on the centerline of the landing runway prior to attempting to exit the runway. Taxi at a fast walking speed until parked at the ramp or until aligned with the centerline of the runway for takeoff.

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