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    Quote Originally Posted by 3holerr View Post
    Well there IS no U merger and apparently there is not gonna be one most likely, according to yesterday's conference call. So there!
    What conference call???

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    the one that was supposedly happening yesterday.

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    I was told the oct ruling for everyone on property was a stumbling block for a merger whilst we are still owned by amr. We will not know until it actually plays out. But hey at that time we might be lucky enough to choose where we want to go.

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    Probably the same conference call that people were saying had ORD closing. It's not going to, so the U merger conference call rumor is every bit as reliable.
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    i was on hold all that time for nothing.

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    My source was on the conference call with Winkley and said AA wants nothing to do with U and there's not much confidence that it will happen either in or out of bk. And the divestiture ain't and never was gonna happen, just like the other 4 times we were lied to about it.

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    for both professional and personal reasons I prefer what you say 3holerr. But unfortunately we have about 3 innings to go in the baseball game. will come down to who each manager brings in the ninth inning as the closer.

    as a foot note, my source has told me news coming out 1april. i know april fools.

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    Yep, you're right about that. All we can do is hide and watch as they say in the south. It ain't over yet

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    Quote Originally Posted by Flugschlafen View Post
    That's right. All pilots on the seniority list prior to that date have some sort of "flow" to AA. The top 244 have numbers at AA, after that are 824 that are flow but have no numbers and go as essentially new hires on probation, then the rest have "protected pilot" status, which means they are essentially the same as the 824 but were not part of the arbitration awards that generated the first two sets of numbers. All go without interview or medical checks as a percentage of AA new hire classes.
    Doing some simple math, if they take 824+244 I get like 1068 pilots. With that being said, attrition is very high. No pilots are coming in. Heard they cant even get pilots with 10,000.00 signing bonus. Ive also heard that we have way less than 3000 pilots. More llike 2500-2700. Subtract 1100 from 2700 you get 1600. That is with the current staffing. I predict more will leave now with this republic crap. What are the chances of buying new airplanes for a company that is significantly shrinking? I say very low.

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    well then the only thing AE can do is buy another regional for there pilots. Maybe Garton can loan AE the money from his package.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ardvark View Post
    well then the only thing AE can do is buy another regional for there pilots. Maybe Garton can loan AE the money from his package.
    Im not trying to be a downer. Why would they need to buy a regional. They dont want the one they have and they can just farm out the feed to others. Rumor was a few years back DG was only coming to AE to get rid of us and then he would return to AA. Seems like they have found a way to dissolve us instead of sell us. Probably because no one would buy us because of our labor costs. We then saw our planes all re registered to AMR. This has been in the works for years. I just hope I can get to AA and not have to do any job searching and starting over

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    your not being a downer, not when facts are being discussed. Hope you do get to AA and it works out for you.
    As for AE, well it is a division in the amr corporation. Technically a privatley held entity by amr. Amr never really had AE up for sale, just smoke and mirrors for the BK. Union was lying to all pilots. Pilot cost here was compared to MESA and Go Jets, the only two companies that they could compare us to so as we would be expensive. The MEC knows it and kept it secret from the pilots, why, get rd of senior pilots so they could move up the seniority. No MEC person has left AE except to retire, ever wonder why.

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    Sweet! I wanna be the next Sully.

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    Quote Originally Posted by eaglepilot View Post
    Sweet! I wanna be the next Sully.
    Do you have any idea how bad that sounds comming from somebody in your position?

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    And my position is.........?

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    Quote Originally Posted by eaglepilot View Post
    And my position is.........?
    I'm not going to out you, unless you really want me to.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 3holerr View Post
    My source was on the conference call with Winkley and said AA wants nothing to do with U and there's not much confidence that it will happen either in or out of bk. And the divestiture ain't and never was gonna happen, just like the other 4 times we were lied to about it.
    I'm sure this management wants nothing to do with U, especially inside BK, because that means they end up with a shoe in their ass. Thankfully, this management isn't in the drivers seat. Word has it a decision is a week or two away and only 2 items are left to negotiate. I think others here have made pretty compelling arguments as to the veracity of anything coming from either this management or union.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Beagleboy View Post
    I'm sure this management wants nothing to do with U, especially inside BK, because that means they end up with a shoe in their ass. Thankfully, this management isn't in the drivers seat. Word has it a decision is a week or two away and only 2 items are left to negotiate. I think others here have made pretty compelling arguments as to the veracity of anything coming from either this management or union.
    It will be pretty simple. As far as decisions go. We have a somewhat miserable pilot group that does not even want to be at the "old eagle". almost 1100 are going and supposedly the majority of the remaining "old eagle" pilots will flow. This airline/pilot group "old eagle" will pretty much either go to AA or go elsewhere. I am guessing they have no intent to do us any favors with this being the actual situation. We are all here for something other than regional flying. With this all being said, pilots, us, are in high demand. Thats not to say we wont be treated like sh&@ as we all exit this company.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Flydaddy22 View Post
    almost 1100 are going .
    I think that anyone betting on the 824 leaving (or even the 236, for that matter) are dangerously ignoring the past actions of this management and its helpers in ALPA.

    I hope that I am wrong, but I have had no communication from ALPA advising us that the "824 Settlement" was brought before the Bankruptcy Court, and it has been deemed (by that court or by agreement with Parker) to be binding on the successor to AMR....

    The purported document distributed by ALPA contains no page numbers, no logical beginning (or preamble language - read any LOA in our CBA for an example) and APPEARS to be missing pages at the beginning. This is not a complete legal document, and it causes me to wonder if the preamble language describes the LOA as being only applicable to a standalone AA, which as we now pretty much can guess, will not happen.

    I hope - for the sake of the 824 and those who will move to fill their seats - that I am wrong, but I have seen nothing to-date to reassure me, only assumptions by others that the "deal" is ironclad....

    My humble and sincere advice would be for all 824 pilots to actively demand a statement from ALPA about the successor to AMR being bound to honor this agreement, and what steps ALPA WILL take if management pulls any of its typical and predicted shenanigans. If ALPA cannot give this reassurance, then pilots should demand a hiatus to further PBS and implementation discussions until such assurances are provided to the AE pilots.

    if all this fails, it is not difficult to call for LEC meetings and replace the MEC.

    Time is not on our side.

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