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    I know some where here I posted three NOV classes and one DEC class.

    But I buddy a envoy was told 2 nov and no Dec classes. I spoke (email) with Scott Hanson and he said 3 NOV classes and no DEC class.

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    It's 30 a month regardless, yes? So AA could have 10 classes and eagle only flows 30? Or is there a min per class?

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    How does vacation work for the 824? I'll be leaving in May or so, should I bid for my 3 weeks before that date, or do they carry over to AA?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr.Lucky View Post
    How does vacation work for the 824? I'll be leaving in May or so, should I bid for my 3 weeks before that date, or do they carry over to AA?
    You have a choice to use it before you go, or have it paid to you to help supplement the lower pay rate the first few months. ALPA will then mail you a bill a year later asking for 2.1% of it. Once you qualify and get on line, there is no vacation your first year. Just a lot of flying. Hope this helps.

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    Thanks for the info. No vacation at all the first year? I had thought I heard differently for the 824, but not sure.

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    I think it was you got to keep your company seniority towards vacation time, but nothing transfers with you. I don't know exactly how their vacation works, but if it's like our new hire stuff, you bank time from when you get hired and then get to apply it when yearly vacation bids come out.

    I'm not sure how that applies to the 824 though because we technically get full vacation when we transfer, but I don't know if AA will allow bidding all of that even if you show up 3 months prior to the end of the year.
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    How long is the time between transfer awarded and actually stepping on property?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr.Lucky View Post
    How long is the time between transfer awarded and actually stepping on property?
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    Thanks and thanks! Three months is longer than I expected to hear. Oh well, it is what it is.

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    Stopping by for one last update.

    Sim is set up like ground, late starts and shifts to earlier so you can commute home on the last day.

    Best part again is that you can A-pass yourself home and back on days off. The cafeteria has lousy hours and is closed on weekends. If you've got a room that has a microwave and freezer or better, see if you can get a ride to a grocery store from the hotel. Some days you're going to miss normal hours for food.

    Some people stay during days off. If you feel like you're behind and have a lot of distractions at home, maybe consider staying and trying to get up to speed.

    Flows, flows and more flows. Gotta know SOP and flows.

    2 hours each, 4 hours in the box. Add briefing and debrief and it's a long day. Same as ground, due to the shifting start times you have little study time.

    There are websites available that will help you study, from aapilots.com info to airbusdriver.net there are a lot of resources if you get the 320.

    The checkride is just like you've been doing for AQP at Eagle. It's a good ride, and if you've been doing well keeping up with the sim you'll do fine on the checkride. The (CLT) instructors are all pilots, so that's a big help.

    Study the A320 app on the iPad to get into the FMC entries. I found them pretty frustrating after the 145, which is pretty straightforward. There's a lot more involved in the 320's FMC. I'm still figuring things out. One of the frustrations you'll have is that the sim is all about repositioning and maneuvers. By the time you get done you'll be able to handle an engine failure, single engine go-around to an ILS like a boss, but conducting a normal flight will seem completely alien to you and bring a new set of frustrations.

    Your OE instructor knows this.

    Keep studying the flows. Don't quit. If you keep those up you can listen to your OE instructor and learn how to manage the aircraft and not be left wondering what happens next. The OE instructor will give you a ton of valuable info about handling the aircraft. It's going to be about 25 hours worth of time, they'll try to do at least one trip out of your base. Don't be afraid to call the planners in DFW to find out what's going on, especially if you want to get done quickly.

    Then you get your line check (no different than any other leg you did on OE) and then you officially become the low pilot on the reserve totem pole. If you have time off between OE and reserve, spend that time keeping up your flows and looking at the various reserve guides on the APA website, aapilots and the contract.

    I'm only 3 days into my first reserve stint and I've worked every day. I'm up front with the captains, saying I'm new, and ask for pointers and to make sure I'm not painting myself into a corner with the aircraft. They've all been really good, and I've learned a lot. Downside - being an FO again means adjusting to what each CA thinks is best.

    Don't forget to bid.

    Don't forget to 3P for whatever base you want to get to. They are putting out a lot of bids, almost monthly, and there are a lot of backfills. I already was awarded NY, so I'll see you folks there at the new Eagle base.

    If you get CLT for training, the Old Mecklenburg Brewery is a good place to go.

    Good luck to everyone, and hurry your butts up and get over here so scheduling can call you instead of me at 0300!

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    Quote Originally Posted by JWBOS View Post
    Don't forget to 3P for whatever base you want to get to. They are putting out a lot of bids, almost monthly, and there are a lot of backfills. I already was awarded NY, so I'll see you folks there at the new Eagle base.


    Good luck to everyone, and hurry your butts up and get over here so scheduling can call you instead of me at 0300!
    Welcome to NY Airbus. Once you get used to the Airbusisms, I think you'll find it to be fairly easy work. The flying has changed a lot lately so it's not all trans-cons like it used to be, but it's still a good gig.

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    Is Envoy paying out short term sick to those people that flow? I heard that they aren't paying it out if you quit in order to go work for another airline. I thought it was contractual that they had to pay it out, but could only find where it said they had to pay out vacation, if you give two weeks notice.

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    Read all of this thread again, thanks again for the great info. How long from when you are selected until you are contacted by someone? Is this done through our AA email?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr.Lucky View Post
    Read all of this thread again, thanks again for the great info. How long from when you are selected until you are contacted by someone? Is this done through our AA email?
    I recently had a friend get selected in the last round. A few days ago he got an email for the class date. It's sent to whatever you set in pilot credentials. From there, a month prior you will start getting emails about everything that needs to be completed prior to class, and everything else in between.

    That's all I remember. I've been on the other side just over a year now.

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    Thanks!

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    Do I need to do anything special for the pilotcredentials.com site? Will AA just assume there is only one person with my name and email me? Seems odd there isn't a way to enter my employee number.

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    Hey Lucky, did you get a letter for class on April 7? I was about number 10 to get a class date. I know of another guy 10 jr to me that got the same notification. I was a Jan 19, 2004 hire.

    I did think it was odd that it was April 7, a Friday. I thought the new hire classes always started on Tuesdays.

    Do you have any info?

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