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    This might explain part of the Training Pipeline queue:

    "In the wake of 9/11, American Airlines furloughed a total of 2,905 pilots, a process that lasted through April 2005.

    The recall process, which began in January 2007, ended this month. The pilots who enjoyed a Sept. 13 dinner at union headquarters included the last of the furloughees who wanted to return. Out of the 2,905 pilots who were furloughed, a total of 1,910 are now actively flying for American Airlines."

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    Hot off the presses:

    Bidding usually happens day 3, we got it early.

    Available slots were 10 PHL 190, 10 PHL Airbus, 6 DCA Airbus, all East. Looking to hire 750-950 pilots next year.

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    Congrats on making it over. I am sure you have contacts here that can answer your questions you may have. But if not post here and we can offer our 2 cents.

    Where did you end up 190 or 320? Get you bid in if you are not where you want to be.

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    How was the class split?
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    Following was put out yesterday:

    Letter T (pilots recalled from furlough)
    We’ve received a number of questions about our pilot hiring and the status of our Letter T (recall) pilots. Specifically, how many came back, and when will we resume hiring pilots off the street?

    The good news is that we no longer have any legacy American pilots on furlough. Approximately 150 recall pilots exercised the Letter T option, and our last recall class was on Sept. 6. While there are still 14 legacy US Airways-West pilots who are inactive and on furlough, we plan to have them all return to active status by the end of the year.

    We resumed hiring off-the-street with the Sept. 6 new hire class. In that class, 10 off-the-street hires joined 10 flow through pilots, adding 20 new pilots to the roster, and new hire classes consisting of a mix of street hires and flow pilots are scheduled every two weeks through the end of November. We don’t yet have our 2017 schedule, but hope to have that finalized soon.

    We plan to hire more than 500 pilots in 2016, and the hiring projection for 2017 is more than 750.

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    Congratulations to our next set of parolees. Most junior was October of 2000. Looks like only one more to finish up October of 2000

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    How about who was the most senior

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jdflyer View Post
    Congratulations to our next set of parolees. Most junior was October of 2000. Looks like only one more to finish up October of 2000
    It should be '04 hires by January. If we keep goin like we are currently.

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    Orientation & Indoc

    Your first days are broken up into orientation and basic indoc.

    Orientation is 3 days.

    It might seem a little silly at times, but think of it as an icebreaker + meet and greet. You'll be introduced to a lot of flight, fleet and training management. You're going to get a lot of info about AA and employee programs. You're going to get a lot of business cards. You're going to get fed. A lot. Dinner's usually on you, though. Enjoy this part. Zero stress. Try to start shedding some regional airline angst. Everyone will let you know they're glad you're here, they're here to help you succeed. During this time you should also get your aircraft and base assignment (day 2 or 3), get issued iPads, keys safety vest, get an ID pic taken, etc. Suits were de rigueur for the dinner. Many brought their spouse, some brought a parent. It's a nice night.

    The next 10 business days are Basic Indoc.

    Out of the nice hotel, into the training hotel. You're on your own for meals. This is going to be familiar territory. Indoc here is heavily CBT reliant. You'll download all of the materials needed for your fleet onto the iPad. Again, don't stress it. There are tests. Don't stress them, either. You'll be fine. You'll want to start getting to know where stuff is on the iPad, AA's 365 has about 10x as material as envoy's. You'll also have fleet specific apps. Neat stuff. Indoc also has a lot of people from various departments coming in to talk. Benefits. Travel. Ground services. IOC. The APA also takes you to APA HQ for some BBQ. They cover APA benefits. No sales pressure other than wanting you to sign up for the APA. There will be some difficulties, the envoy and AA computers don't talk to each other so things like jetnet, certain apps, CCI and the like will take some time to work again. You'll also get your training schedules and base visits scheduled during this time.

    Also, you'll get 2 days off each week, your "48's" they're called. If you can and want to, go home. Pretty much everyone does. You're not going to miss anything.

    That's it for the schoolhouse.

    Other thoughts: This place loves acronyms. You'll see. I thought that AA and AE were the "same company, same airline". They're not. It's not the koolaid, trust me. They are completely different animals. Also, reset your expectations. I know we've all waited 15+ years at this point to get here and fly 4 times a month to London on the 777. You're going on reserve, possibly to a base and aircraft you may not particularly want and still be stuck commuting. Be ready for that rude awakening. Just keep in mind that half of AA's pilots will be gone in less than a decade. You'll get where you want to be. It's a great time to get in the door.

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    Thanks Jeff, for all the info

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    The best part is being treated as an adult. You are expected to learn on your own with the home study. Gnd school is you, yourpartner andthe instructor. Overall it was a good experience. It is nothing compared to eagle training. You actually learn something as there is no overwhelming pressure to be perfect.
    Enjoy and welcome.

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    Completely right.

    You are not told what to do while having consequences hung over your head. You are given the tools to do what you need to do, instruction on what needs to be done and the rest is up to you. There is already a certain amount of trust granted to you the moment you walk in the door.

    Relieving, and motivating in an entirely different way.

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    Once you start basic indoc JW is correct. Trying to figure out where the information is, is sometimes the hardest. At AE it was either in FM Pt 1 or AOM 1. But here you have info also in the QRH and Performance Manual. So do not feel bad if you have a hard time trying to find some things.

    Trying to find Flows, we do not have them. We have Litanies or Standardized Actions which are in AOM Vol 1 General section. You will have a syllabus that gives you EVERYTHING. When we go out for training, PC or training you know exactly what you are going to do in the briefing and in the sim. That's every maneuver.

    You will get a bunch of info from APA. My take is this. Life Insurance I found a better policy thru Select a Quote. They will also talk about other insurance. The two that stand out are PMA and Voluntary Supplemental Medical & Custodial Care. Both of these have time limits to enroll PMA 5 years the other prior to age 55, if over 55 can still enroll.. I feel PMA is great, it will pay up to $3900 per month (costs $53 per month and Basic $1980 per month @ $28 pm) if you are out sick ( 60 days after you have used all sick and vacation time). Also PMA is based on how many pilots are enrolled, more enrolled you payment would go down.

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    Airbus has triggers and flows(think step brothers) and that is the base of training for the airbus. Only 1 memory item. Undue activation of alpha protection. I am enjoying the bus. Right now the 73 guys are being hammered on rsv. For the best s, its not uncommon to do nothing for a week.

    If you get the bus,make sure you know those triggers and flows. It will make your training that much easier.

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    Once you're done with training, or before. Go to the APA website and put the reserve guide in your iBooks on your iPad. Lots of good information in there to help you navigate reserve.

    Also aa pilots has a bidding guide too. Things are a little different with bidding for relief lines, and secondary bidding.

    Keep in mind too when bidding, if you have any control of what you can bid, watch your transition from the end to the beginning of the new month. You could have a 10 day stretch of reserve days. Granted you will need a 30hr break, but on this side, especially on reserve, you will not really have any idea when it's going to happen. Some instances you'll get a trip with a 30hr layover. Other times they'll just give it to you at their discretion. It's not a hard day off either. It's 30hrs from when you block in etc. Speaking from experience on this one.
    Last edited by Layman; 10-03-2016 at 02:56 PM.

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    If you get CLT for training, ignore the part where the directions say to go to D zone commercial traffic lanes. where there's a big sign that says "Employee Transportation".

    Instead, take an immediate right out of the Zone D door and look for a little tiny sign off the curb that says AA flight training shuttle. About 30 feet from the door.

    The sign looks temporary, so no telling how long that will last. The van didn't adhere to the printed schedule.

    Hope that saves a little frustration for anyone coming this way.

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    Thanks. JW. Good luck...

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    Once you start basic indoc JW is correct. Trying to figure out where the information is, is sometimes the hardest. At AE it was either in FM Pt 1 or AOM 1. But here you have info also in the QRH and Performance Manual. So do not feel bad if you have a hard time trying to find some things.

    You're definitely right. The 175 QRH. Reads like a dream.

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    Edited out the old post.

    If you get the 320, and you have the choice, give yourself at least two weeks between indoc and start of ground.

    The CBT takes a lot longer than you think, and if you have to press through it because of ground school starting soon you will retain very little of the CBT because you don't have the time to absorb it. You're going to want to have time to get into the flows. This plane is all about the flows. If you have a fair grasp of them you can spend the time learning the box and ECAM. Otherwise you're struggling to learn both. Or maybe I'm just getting old and it's harder to learn.

    The schedule is set up for commuters. Late start day one and it gets earlier as the training progresses, last day was an 0530 show and a 12:30 finish. Just like a 4 day commutable trip. It also means that as the start times shift to earlier you lose a lot of opportunity to study. Great for commuting, not so great if you feel behind. Another reason to try to get as much in your head before you show up.

    *this is for CLT 320 training. No idea what other training schedules are like.
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