Flow info

[EagleFlight2369]

Ya and how does one go about doing that with a MEC that won’t do a thing?!

[Cujo665]

Ya and how does one go about doing that with a MEC that won’t do a thing?!

Get a group of guys together, hire a lawyer, and sue. At some point ALPA will jump in and fight it too, since if they didn’t and you win they’ll face a DFR

[Beagleboy]

Get a group of guys together, hire a lawyer, and sue. At some point ALPA will jump in and fight it too, since if they didn’t and you win they’ll face a DFR

5-7 years to run through the legal process and cost at least high 5 to low 6 figures. Considering the apathy present in this pilot group, I can’t see this becoming a consideration from a realistic standpoint.

[Cujo665]

5-7 years to run through the legal process and cost at least high 5 to low 6 figures. Considering the apathy present in this pilot group, I can’t see this becoming a consideration from a realistic standpoint.

never said it would be easy. However, my bet is when faced with the possibility of an injunction turning off their precious recruiting tool that a solution would be found quickly. Unfortunately, I don't see the current pilot group willing to tolerate short term pain for long term gain.

[Mr.Lucky]

Class 18-14 (July 10, 2018)
28 Pilots
04 LAX/FO/320/I
05 LGA/FO/320/D
15 MIA/FO/737/I
04 PHL/FO/190/I
06 Military Background
00 Corporate
03 Other Airline
## Regional Partners (16 Envoy 00 Piedmont 05 PSA)

[eaglepilot]

Class 18-14 (July 10, 2018)
28 Pilots
04 LAX/FO/320/I
05 LGA/FO/320/D
15 MIA/FO/737/I
04 PHL/FO/190/I
06 Military Background
00 Corporate
03 Other Airline
## Regional Partners (16 Envoy 06 Piedmont 05 PSA)

There were no Piedmonsters in that class. - source 2 pilots in that class.

[Toliptihs]

Anyone know the hire date/initials of the most junior person to flow?

[eaglepilot]

Anyone know the hire date/initials of the most junior person to flow?

It was Streit. CRJ training center guy.

[Mr.Lucky]

I just copy these lists from someone, I'll make the correction, I appreciate the input.

[Mr.Lucky]

Class 18-19 (Sept 18, 2018)
38 Pilots

02 LAX/FO/320/I
10 LGA/FO/320/D
10 LAX/FO/737/D
10 LGA/FO/737/D
6 PHL/FO/190/I
15 Military Background
01 Corporate
01 Other Airline
## Regional Partners (10 Envoy 05 Piedmont 06 PSA)

2018
920-720 Projected (Not guaranteed)
Jan 16, 2018
Class 18-01 40/40
Class 18-02 42/40
Class 18-03 24/40
Class 18-04 26/40
Class 18-05 32/40
Class 18-06 36/40
Class 18-07 42/40
Class 18-08 36/40
Class 18-09 41/40
Class 18-10 43/40
Class 18-11 22/40
Class 18-12 24/40
Class 18-13 22/40
Class 18-14 28/40
Class 18-15 28/40
Class 18-16 40/40
Class 18-17 39/40
Class 18-18 39/30
Class 18-19 38/30
642/740

[Lear359v]

Oct 2
5 Lax 320
10 Lga 320
7 MIA 737
10 Lax 737
10 Lga 737
4 Phl 190

[Beagleboy]

950 projected AA new-hires for 2019, but question whether that many can actually be trained due to log jams in the process. That means at max, Envoy gets about 36-37%. As a result, Envoy will have to plant, water and grow to fruition 30-35 new Captains each and every month considering some outside attrition or the engine bogs down.

[Earl]

APA does not expect AA to meet those numbers. AA is still behind in getting sims up to FAA’s mandated upgrades. Also talking with instructors and CKA the new upgrades for stall and upset training is very hard on the sims. Then add being short instructors, they also had two or three go out sick and unfortunately one passed away.

737 and 777 pilots are outsourced to MIA for sim and starting in Dec 777 will be using a DAL sim in ATL.

[Beagleboy]

APA does not expect AA to meet those numbers. AA is still behind in getting sims up to FAA’s mandated upgrades. Also talking with instructors and CKA the new upgrades for stall and upset training is very hard on the sims. Then add being short instructors, they also had two or three go out sick and unfortunately one passed away.

737 and 777 pilots are outsourced to MIA for sim and starting in Dec 777 will be using a DAL sim in ATL.

Sounds like 2019 will be a staffing nightmare at AA. Not good for keeping revenue and profits up.

[Mr.Lucky]

Saw this for the Dec 11 class drop (75 new hires):

MIA/FO/320/D 15
LAX/FO/320/I 12
LGA/FO/320/D 9
DCA/FO/737/D 5
LGA/FO/737/D 8
LGA/FO/737/I 4
MIA/FO/737/I 13
LAX/FO/737/D 9

[booms1]

That's very interesting stuff to know about. Thank you so much for the valuable information.

[SlowHand]

FYI, From an APA news blast:

Notice to Former Envoy Pilots With 401(k) Accounts
There is an opportunity to transfer your 401(k) account balance from the Envoy plan to the American Airlines Pilot Only 401(k) Plan. If you wish to have your account transferred, you must act quickly. Envoy must receive your completed transfer request by mail, delivery, or fax no later than Oct. 11.

Please submit your completed Voluntary In-Service Plan-to-Plan Transfer Election Form to the Envoy Air Inc. 401(k) Plan by either:

Facsimile at 972-374-5609
Email at Envoy.401k@AA.com
Management has provided the following schedule for the transferred amounts (this will not apply to amounts in the AA Pilot Only 401(k) Plan):

Oct. 11: Last day for elections to be received at Envoy
Oct. 25: Blackout notice mail date
Nov. 18: Self-directed brokerage account liquidation date
Nov. 29: Blackout period start date
Dec. 5: Valuation date
Dec. 6: Asset transfer date
Dec. 15: Blackout end week
If you have any questions about the Voluntary In-Service Plan-to-Plan Transfer Election Form before the transfer, please contact Empower Retirement at 1-800-345-2345. If you have questions after the transfer, please contact Fidelity Investments at 1-800-354-3412. You can also email Envoy.401k@AA.com with questions as well.