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    Ever hear of the Pearl River MS school shooting?

    There's a reason you probably haven't...

    Google it


    About Auto rampages... Searched 2 seconds...

    http://www.allvoices.com/contributed...led-27-injured

    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk...2-8218877.html

    http://kdvr.com/2012/08/07/rampage-d...pleads-guilty/

    Why does a known mental patient own a car?
    http://updsl.org/upd-news/mentally-i...injuring-three
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    Quote Originally Posted by Flugschlafen View Post
    How so? The laws on the books don't cover the situation that caused this. Making them stricter won't work because they only apply to the purchaser, so unless you make laws that require checking the background and mental health of the entire household it would have no effect.

    Yeah, you better do background checks on all relatives who may visit, all neighbors who may visit, all friends...

    Keep blaming the tool instead of the operator. Lets just outlaw them completely, that's worked so well with drugs... And it worked even better with alcohol didn't it.

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    Somebody else just pointed this out...

    Schools have fire extinguishers. Apparently they don't feel it's prudent to depend on the Fire Department if a fire breaks out but are perfectly content to wait for the PD in the face of an armed crazy person.

    They also have AED's because they don't feel it's prudent to depend upon EMS to arrive quickly enough...

    Why do you think they created the FFDO program? We already have fire extinguishers and AED's....

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    Yes. Dragged out every time when gun control issues are brought up.

    So you need to scour the world to find a very few incidences? To help you out, look for the Wiki, there is an incomplete list of 33 vehicular rampages. Worldwide. I beat your four of a kind with a royal flush:

    27, Newton CT
    10, Geneva County, AL
    12, Colorado Theater
    13, Ft. Hood
    13, Binghamton, NY
    13, Columbine
    14, Edmonton Post office shooter

    The list goes on. These are just the worst and I haven't even included the ones where only a few were shot like the Arizona Giffords shooting and the Oregon Mall. These are just in the US. These are just the more recent ones. Nobody would have the patience to read a worldwide list of rampaging gunmen.

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    Mom purchased the guns legally. If she couldn't have I don't think she would have sought them out illegally.
    This guy was a social recluse and I doubt he would have known how to buy an assault riffle on the black market if there wasn't one in Mom's closet.
    Come to think of it that guy Lautner who shot Congresswoman Giffords bought his gun legally too didn't he? Same with the Virginia Tech shooter I think.

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    C'mon. You're reaching for straws. Fire extinguishers? AED's?

    Why not just say we have rocks on the school grounds and wooden spoons in the cafeteria. Murderous weapons, all of them.

    FFDO - we're at FL370. There's no help to be had. And if the terrorist wins, he takes our plane and runs it into something and can kill a bunch more people. No comparison, we are the last and only line of defense when there's no place to run. But while you're on the subject, why not arm all the passengers, too? They've always proven to be a nice, stable bunch.

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    Plus an accidental discharge of a fire extinguisher is a little safer than a loose firearm in a school.

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    Come to think of it that guy Lautner who shot Congresswoman Giffords bought his gun legally too didn't he? Same with the Virginia Tech shooter I think.
    So what's the answer?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Flugschlafen View Post
    So what's the answer?
    Like I said, I like my guns. However I frequently see people in gun shops to whom I would deny a firearm if it were up to me. Personally I say no more assault rifles and hi capacity magazines is a good start.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yossarian View Post
    Like I said, I like my guns. However I frequently see people in gun shops to whom I would deny a firearm if it were up to me. Personally I say no more assault rifles and hi capacity magazines is a good start.
    The gun grabbers won't stop there. It's one small step at a time with them. They don't get this change and go away, they move into the next baby step at outright confiscation and banning.

    40 years ago when gays first emerged from the closets, nobody would ever have thought the word marriage. It's the same thing... One small step at a time leading to banning and confiscation. Then comes socialism and eventually communism.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cujo665 View Post
    The gun grabbers won't stop there. It's one small step at a time with them. They don't get this change and go away, they move into the next baby step at outright confiscation and banning.

    40 years ago when gays first emerged from the closets, nobody would ever have thought the word marriage. It's the same thing... One small step at a time leading to banning and confiscation. Then comes socialism and eventually communism.
    Just to be clear, homosexuality leads to communism? Phew! I am so not a commie. I don't even own a sweater vest.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cujo665 View Post
    The gun grabbers won't stop there. It's one small step at a time with them. They don't get this change and go away, they move into the next baby step at outright confiscation and banning.

    40 years ago when gays first emerged from the closets, nobody would ever have thought the word marriage. It's the same thing... One small step at a time leading to banning and confiscation. Then comes socialism and eventually communism.
    Ah well. I guess it's a miracle you made it as many posts as you did without mentioning liberals, or now the current right-wing synonyms for them. Now you're on about gay people? Maybe you're being sarcastic. Maybe not and you're a bigot too. What's next, bring the Nazis up?

    You lose. I'm done here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yossarian View Post
    Just to be clear, homosexuality leads to communism? Phew! I am so not a commie. I don't even own a sweater vest.
    Analogy... Hello....

    Similar to the term creeping communism.

    The analogy was, the gun grabbers won't get their little change and be happy... Just as the homosexual movement was "never" about marriage... it was about not getting beaten in clubs for coming out of the closet 40 years ago... same thing with the gun grabbers, they'll get what they want here, then They will just move onto the same thing from another angle. Confiscation and banning is their goal.

    Apparently it was a bad analogy, or you guys are just too young to remember the beginning of their movement.... Compared to now
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    Quote Originally Posted by Flugschlafen View Post
    Yes. Dragged out every time when gun control issues are brought up.

    So you need to scour the world to find a very few incidences? To help you out, look for the Wiki, there is an incomplete list of 33 vehicular rampages. Worldwide. I beat your four of a kind with a royal flush:

    27, Newton CT
    10, Geneva County, AL
    12, Colorado Theater
    13, Ft. Hood
    13, Binghamton, NY
    13, Columbine
    14, Edmonton Post office shooter

    The list goes on. These are just the worst and I haven't even included the ones where only a few were shot like the Arizona Giffords shooting and the Oregon Mall. These are just in the US. These are just the more recent ones. Nobody would have the patience to read a worldwide list of rampaging gunmen.

    Look, you're the one who said it was rare. I proved it wasn't as rare as you claimed, and those are just the ones significant enough to get the media's attention. Cars being used to kill isn't as great a liberal agenda item as the misuse of a gun.

    According to the FBI the 2nd most common weapon for assaults and death is a baseball bat.
    Should we ban that sporting instrument, or just the hunting and target shooting sporting instrument.

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    Ah, but a car is useful for driving, a baseball bat is useful for baseball but an assault rifle is only really useful for assaulting. You don't hunt with it unless you are a really bad shot and then you ruin all your meat. I'm just saying I'd be willing to compromise on assault weapons. I understand the "slippery slope argument though".

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    After researching the number of children killed in alcohol related accidents EVERY SINGLE YEAR which dwarfs this tragedy (and all others combined), all automobiles and alcohol should be immediately banned. I think it is apparent that we already have "sensible regulation" and it's obviously not working, so that's it Mr. and Mrs. America turn them all in. Thanks to Diane Feinstein for the idea!

    Just think of the money this country would save in reduced health care costs as well as infrastructure- we'd only need enough for public transport or bicycles.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cujo665 View Post
    The gun grabbers won't stop there. It's one small step at a time with them. They don't get this change and go away, they move into the next baby step at outright confiscation and banning.

    40 years ago when gays first emerged from the closets, nobody would ever have thought the word marriage. It's the same thing... One small step at a time leading to banning and confiscation. Then comes socialism and eventually communism.
    It appears Rush Limbaugh has joined TA. Reminds me of people who claim to follow the beliefs of Jesus and "God" by being "Christians". I always thought that doctrine says thou shalt not kill. Oddly, many of these same people think nothing of stalking and killing living beings and attacking others who question that massive contradiction.

    Never understood that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yossarian View Post
    Ah, but a car is useful for driving, a baseball bat is useful for baseball but an assault rifle is only really useful for assaulting. You don't hunt with it unless you are a really bad shot and then you ruin all your meat. I'm just saying I'd be willing to compromise on assault weapons. I understand the "slippery slope argument though".
    First, the rifle used was not an assault rifle. It operates exactly the same as most hunting rifles. As for uses... They can be used for sport target shooting; they can be used for the sport of hunting; they can be used for actual food hunting, and they can be used for defense. It is only the illegal misuse of them that is bad. Just as the illegal misuse of a baseball bat, a knife or a car.

    Thanks for getting the slippery slope analogy; I did a terrible job of initial presentation, sorry if it upset anybody

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    Is it not an assault rifle because it is not fully automatic? I understand that the bushmaster was not subject to the last assault weapons ban. It may be the same inside as any semiautomatic rifle but with a 30-shot magazine and AR15 styling it is clearly not a hunting weapon. In this instance it was used to shoot humans as assault rifles are intended to. I'm not sure I see the need for us all to have these next to our sock drawer. I get it in Israel where service is mandatory and their is a siege mentality. Here in the US I don't buy the argument that we need to be ready to take up arms against our own potentially despotic government.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yossarian View Post
    Is it not an assault rifle because it is not fully automatic? I understand that the bushmaster was not subject to the last assault weapons ban. It may be the same inside as any semiautomatic rifle but with a 30-shot magazine and AR15 styling it is clearly not a hunting weapon. In this instance it was used to shoot humans as assault rifles are intended to. I'm not sure I see the need for us all to have these next to our sock drawer. I get it in Israel where service is mandatory and their is a siege mentality. Here in the US I don't buy the argument that we need to be ready to take up arms against our own potentially despotic government.
    You need to spend more time getting indoctrinated by the dapper cultists at FOX news. A few weeks of listening to those raving paranoids will have you putting assault rifles next to every window of your house with 2 banana clips taped in opposition. This will maximize the defense of your home when it is inevitably swarmed by waves of wild-eyed psychotics looking to seize your goodies in the coming apocalypse.........that is if the pseudo-socialistic, communist sympathizing government storm-troopers don't get there first. ;-)

    You must understand how terrifying a world it is to the hopelessly paranoid. One must be armed to the teeth at every turn simply to survive in such a psychotic hell-hole. Sadly, most afflicted will never understand that inner peace will never be obtained by increasing the reliance on symbols that reinforce the exact opposite. It's a sub-conscious catch-22.

    Oh......and don't forget to buy more gold and freeze dried food too. Once you run out of bullets, you can throw the gold defending your sealed powder !

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