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    The bushmaster - an AR15 derivative - is very commonly used in both sport shooting; and properly scoped for hunting as well. They are much easier to care for than traditional looking hunting rifles. If you've ever owned one you'd know how much cleaning and care it takes to keep the traditional wood stocks clean and nick/damage free. The bushmaster with polycarbonate shell is much more durable and much easier and cheaply services or replaced.

    The bushmaster comes in several calibers and is functionally no different than most hunting rifles.
    It's no more an assault rifle than any of my Brownings. It takes its rugged design structure from well known assault rifles, but beyond its appearance it shares no other qualities. It is much more a hunting/sporting rifle than as assault rifle.

    After you ban a bunch of guns for their looks; The next time somebody uses a Browning rifle instead will you call it an assault rifle too?

    Stop funding needle exchange programs; abortions on demand and other pet programs and reopen mental health facilities and get these loose time bombs off our streets. It isn't the guns; it's the people and a lack of respect for life.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cujo665 View Post
    The bushmaster - an AR15 derivative - is very commonly used in both sport shooting; and properly scoped for hunting as well. They are much easier to care for than traditional looking hunting rifles. If you've ever owned one you'd know how much cleaning and care it takes to keep the traditional wood stocks clean and nick/damage free. The bushmaster with polycarbonate shell is much more durable and much easier and cheaply services or replaced.

    The bushmaster comes in several calibers and is functionally no different than most hunting rifles.
    It's no more an assault rifle than any of my Brownings. It takes its rugged design structure from well known assault rifles, but beyond its appearance it shares no other qualities. It is much more a hunting/sporting rifle than as assault rifle.

    After you ban a bunch of guns for their looks; The next time somebody uses a Browning rifle instead will you call it an assault rifle too?

    Stop funding needle exchange programs; abortions on demand and other pet programs and reopen mental health facilities and get these loose time bombs off our streets. It isn't the guns; it's the people and a lack of respect for life.
    Questions for right-wing extremists;

    What do these assault weapon massacres have to do with abortion ?

    Answer : Nothing. But to the paranoid, everything.

    Why do people who CLAIM to have "respect for life" enjoy killing defenseless animals frequently for simple sport so much ?

    Considering this often occurs when the "target" is innocent, defenseless, cornered and has nowhere to escape, it sure sounds similar to a school in Connecticut to me.

    Seems to me "mental health" is a VERY loose term nowadays. AFAIC, only the insane combine irrelevant issues to justify their defensive paranoia to non-related threats and then refuse to accept that their actions are in direct opposition to their stated beliefs.

    By that token, perhaps half of America is totally insane.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Beagleboy View Post
    Questions for right-wing extremists;

    What do these assault weapon massacres have to do with abortion ?

    Answer : Nothing. But to the paranoid, everything.

    Why do people who CLAIM to have "respect for life" enjoy killing defenseless animals frequently for simple sport so much ?

    Considering this often occurs when the "target" is innocent, defenseless, cornered and has nowhere to escape, it sure sounds similar to a school in Connecticut to me.

    Seems to me "mental health" is a VERY loose term nowadays. AFAIC, only the insane combine irrelevant issues to justify their defensive paranoia to non-related threats and then refuse to accept that their actions are in direct opposition to their stated beliefs.

    By that token, perhaps half of America is totally insane.
    The comment was about using that money to fund putting these kooks back into institutions. It was about us being more concerned with public funding needle programs and abortions than using that limited supply of money to keep kooks off our streets. If you choose to make something else out of the comment that's your opinion; but it clearly is not what was intended. Trying to interpret my statement in the manner you have is well.... Just insane.

    168 people, 19 of them children under the age of 6 were murdered in Oklahoma City. I don't see you banning rental vans or fertilizer. By the way, that involved the intentional use if a vehicle as a weapon.

    In 1993 they tried to bomb the World Trade Center. They used a motor vehicle as part of that weapon. Last year in NY Times Sq they stopped an attempted car bombing. So Vehicles are used as weapons.

    Lets ban all those too


    The knee jerk reaction from the left to ban things isn't well thought out at all.
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    Ah yes, 2 incidents that occurred 17 and 19 years ago. I suppose we wouldn't be having this discussion if assault weapons were used to massacre others with that frequency, but sadly we're not. Actually, it was explosives inside those vehicles that was the issue and those ARE strictly regulated. Not so with assault-type weapons and high-capacity magazines. Few are talking about banning all guns (something that isn't practical anyway), just regulating specific weapons and accessories that are especially devastating.

    But, Limbaughesqe parahysteria has many running around on circles and linking a desire for regulation with abortion, lack of "god" or any number of other non-related issues. This is predictable. It's what happens when those who are paranoid believe it is themselves under attack, when it is certain products that are. My condolences.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Beagleboy View Post
    Ah yes, 2 incidents that occurred 17 and 19 years ago. I suppose we wouldn't be having this discussion if assault weapons were used to massacre others with that frequency, but sadly we're not.
    I guess you missed that I also included the attempted car bomb in Times Sq. We can also add the attempt to blow up JFK using the underground fuel farm and lines... No guns or cars on that one.

    Quote Originally Posted by Beagleboy View Post
    Actually, it was explosives inside those vehicles that was the issue and those ARE strictly regulated.
    Really? You think Diesel and fertilizer are highly regulated?

    Quote Originally Posted by Beagleboy View Post
    Not so with assault-type weapons and high-capacity magazines.
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    Assault weapons are extremely regulated. You can't own one at all without a federal firearm license. But the weapon used in CT was not an assault weapon... It was a regular run of the mill rifle. And your claims of no regulation are outright wrong and misleading. Many states have very rigid firearms laws, while others do not. Making overly broad statements such as you have are misleading and inaccurate, and only are done to sensationalize your comments.

    Quote Originally Posted by Beagleboy View Post
    Few are talking about banning all guns (something that isn't practical anyway), just regulating specific weapons and accessories that are especially devastating.
    I have no problem regulating assault weapons. I do have a problem when you want to ban what is essentially my hunting/sporting rifle encased in black plastic stocks instead of wood stocks. You're banning it for its looks, judging the book by its cover, essentially discriminating based on its skin covering color.

    Once those mean looking ones are banned, the argument will be to ban my sporting/hunting rifle since its just as capable as the mean looking one already banned. If you think the gun grabbers will be okay with a limited ban and then just go away, then you're nuts.

    Quote Originally Posted by Beagleboy View Post
    But, Limbaughesqe parahysteria has many running around on circles and linking a desire for regulation with abortion, lack of "god" or any number of other non-related issues. This is predictable. It's what happens when those who are paranoid believe it is themselves under attack, when it is certain products that are. My condolences.
    That is NOT what was being linked by anybody other than you. What was being said is we have X amount of tax money to spend. It would be better spent bringing back funding for in-patient mental institutions to keep these loose kooks off our streets. Instead we waste that money on programs such as those that you listed.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cujo665 View Post
    I guess you missed that I also included the attempted car bomb in Times Sq. We can also add the attempt to blow up JFK using the underground fuel farm and lines... No guns or cars on that one.



    Really? You think Diesel and fertilizer are highly regulated?

    .

    Assault weapons are extremely regulated. You can't own one at all without a federal firearm license. But the weapon used in CT was not an assault weapon... It was a regular run of the mill rifle. And your claims of no regulation are outright wrong and misleading. Many states have very rigid firearms laws, while others do not. Making overly broad statements such as you have are misleading and inaccurate, and only are done to sensationalize your comments.



    I have no problem regulating assault weapons. I do have a problem when you want to ban what is essentially my hunting/sporting rifle encased in black plastic stocks instead of wood stocks. You're banning it for its looks, judging the book by its cover, essentially discriminating based on its skin covering color.

    Once those mean looking ones are banned, the argument will be to ban my sporting/hunting rifle since its just as capable as the mean looking one already banned. If you think the gun grabbers will be okay with a limited ban and then just go away, then you're nuts.



    That is NOT what was being linked by anybody other than you. What was being said is we have X amount of tax money to spend. It would be better spent bringing back funding for in-patient mental institutions to keep these loose kooks off our streets. Instead we waste that money on programs such as those that you listed.
    Wow, you're really worked into a lather (I hope you're not armed right now ;-)).

    Your arguments have bounced all over the map on this thread. "Tough on crime", but that has little application to the mentally ill, abortion, lack of "god", lectures to others to "rethink their thinking" from someone who claims to respect life, yet advocates taking it for sport, homosexuality, socialism, communism, etc.

    Jesus, with all that gobbledygook swirling around upstairs, its amazing you could even function in today's society. I can see why the extreme right is in the verge of going bats#%t. Like it or not, it's easier to get a gun than drugs and the issue is high velocity, high capacity assault style weapons. Something has to be at least tried and as you say 40,000 gun laws exist, so a couple of more won't hurt. Most don't believe it will spiral into communism and its part of life to learn accept changes you don't agree with.

    Perhaps if the obstructionist NRA had not taken such a roadblock stance to virtually any regulation aimed at slowing the madness, we wouldn't have gotten to this point. Last I heard this was a democracy and perhaps we should let the will of the majority rule ?
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    School violence, something new? Or not?

    http://www.giftbasketsfrommichigan.c...chool-bombing/

    Media coverage of various school shootings and bombins in recent years would lead one to believe that this is a recent phenomenon. America’s first school bombing occurred in the small town of Bath, Michigan at approximately 8:45 a.m. on May 18, 1927. A series of dynamite and pyrotol (military surplus explosive used by farmers for blowing stumps) were wired to a battery and timer which blew away the north wing of the Bath Consolidated School killing thirty-eight children and three adults. The perpetrator was Andrew Kehoe, school board treasurer and local farmer who also worked on various electrical issues and other technical problems at the school from time to time.

    Shortly after the timed explosion at the school, Andrew Kehoe blew up his farm and burned his wife in the ensuing fire/explosions. He then drove his truck loaded with more explosives to the disaster at the school. For whatever reason, the school superintendent was his nemesis and upon pulling up to the school he called out to the superintendent, Emory Huyck. Huyck went over to Kehoe’s truck and Kehoe shot into the load of explosives in his truck instantly killing him and Huyck.

    The why of the Bath School Disaster vanished into the ether when Kehoe’s truck exploded. No one knows the exact reason for this horrible tragedy. Some say it was for the simple fact that Kehoe didn’t like paying higher taxes to support the school. The only person who knew for sure was Andrew Kehoe and the only message he left was a board attached to a fence on his farm. The message on the board read, “Criminals are made, not born.” Apparently meaning that someone or something made Kehoe into the type of person who would perpetrate such a cowardly act.
    58 injured
    45 total killed
    38 children killed

    No guns used.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Beagleboy View Post
    Wow, you're really worked into a lather (I hope you're not armed right now ;-)).

    Your arguments have bounced all over the map on this thread. "Tough on crime", but that has little application to the mentally ill, abortion, lack of "god", lectures to others to "rethink their thinking" from someone who claims to respect life, yet advocates taking it for sport, homosexuality, socialism, communism, etc.

    Jesus, with all that gobbledygook swirling around upstairs, its amazing you could even function in today's society. I can see why the extreme right is in the verge of going bats#%t. Like it or not, it's easier to get a gun than drugs and the issue is high velocity, high capacity assault style weapons. Something has to be at least tried and as you say 40,000 gun laws exist, so a couple of more won't hurt. Most don't believe it will spiral into communism and its part of life to learn accept changes you don't agree with.

    Perhaps if the obstructionist NRA had not taken such a roadblock stance to virtually any regulation aimed at slowing the madness, we wouldn't have gotten to this point. Last I heard this was a democracy and perhaps we should let the will of the majority rule ?

    Okay, I reply with a point by point of why your post is completely wrong, and instead you attack me instead if trying to defend even one of your claims. I'm done with you.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cujo665 View Post
    School violence, something new? Or not?



    58 injured
    45 total killed
    38 children killed

    No guns used.

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    No one is disputing there are other threats, but we are where we are. Sounds like action soon may be taken. This being a democracy and you obviously disagree with it, I assume you'll peacefully protest any such action.


    Quote Originally Posted by Cujo665 View Post
    Okay, I reply with a point by point of why your post is completely wrong, and instead you attack me instead if trying to defend even one of your claims. I'm done with you.
    We agree then that both of us believe that neither of us is able to defend our POV on the issue. I support a ban on assault weapons with high-velocity ammunition that can be discharged in rapid fire and you don't. I can live with that. It sounds like you can't. Life goes on...........
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    Quote Originally Posted by Beagleboy View Post
    No one is disputing there are other threats, but we are where we are. Sounds like action soon may be taken. This being a democracy and you obviously disagree with it, I assume you'll peacefully protest any such action.




    We agree then that both of us believe that neither of us is able to defend our POV on the issue. I support a ban on assault weapons with high-velocity ammunition that can be discharged in rapid fire and you don't. I can live with that. It sounds like you can't. Life goes on...........
    And yet again you pontificate rather than support you position or explain why mine is wrong.
    I see why people say what they do about you. I should have known better than to get dragged into a debate with you. We're done.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cujo665 View Post
    And yet again you pontificate rather than support you position or explain why mine is wrong.
    I see why people say what they do about you. I should have known better than to get dragged into a debate with you. We're done.
    I applaud your strong defense of the second amendment. I am a strong believer in the right of the people to own firearms. What you are missing though, is that thus far it has basically been untrained nuts doing these things. The first time a well trained professional goes off reservation; the public will demand change. It's a slippery slope, and always has been. Communism slides towards Democracy; and Democracy slides towards Communisim. Its the way of the world, and neither you nor I will change it. Alll we can do, is help shape the policies along the way. Removing an occasional dictator along the way every once in a while doesn't hurt either. I will say, I prefer the old way with an M24 rather than a full blown war. Even better was supporting those who'd do the deed for you.

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    And now come the lawsuits. A CT lawyer is suing the city of Newton due to their inability to protect the citizens from "foreseeable harm."

    http://www.nydailynews.com/news/nati...icle-1.1229598

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