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    Quote Originally Posted by 787captain View Post
    So what about protected pilots? Fuloghs protection? They need to increase pilots to AA then cuss we will be over staffed somone care to comment on these three topics?
    That was negotiated by Tony and scum and I would not put any hopes on that.

    In addition the tony and scum sold the pilots out when they pushed for the scope loa change in 2010. AMR knew what they were going to do and Parker is just finishing it off. Scope was changed to where the pilots dont go with the aircraft for a pref hire at aa. Dont go there, because the planes were transfered to aa and the pilots would have been also back in 2011 be on the seniority list at AA, but no, tony and scum sold us out and the dumb pilots who know nothing of what there contract says voted in favor of the change.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 787captain View Post
    So what about protected pilots? Fuloghs protection? They need to increase pilots to AA then cuss we will be over staffed somone care to comment on these three topics?
    Quote Originally Posted by Orchard View Post
    Yeah he's right until you pin the 2000+ ENY pilots vote against the 300+ PDT pilot vote. Much like when US pilots union has to integrate with APA, guess who's gonna win that one? Same thing will happen there, let them merge, they'll just have to reopen talks with us. I think we can out vote PDT.
    If I am not wrong on a merge every one stays on there current contract until a jcba is worked out. Even at 100 planes the envoy pilot group would be at least 4 times larger than pdt even if pdt grows it would be 3 years before they equal envoy size so envoy would dictate. As it is now we speak

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    Quote Originally Posted by Orchard View Post
    Yeah he's right until you pin the 2000+ ENY pilots vote against the 300+ PDT pilot vote. Much like when US pilots union has to integrate with APA, guess who's gonna win that one? Same thing will happen there, let them merge, they'll just have to reopen talks with us. I think we can out vote PDT.
    Unless they structure it as an asset acquisition with an offer of employment. It may come down to taking what's offered in a combination of Envoy and another. Ultimately, it would mean they did the one thing they really want to do and that is eliminate their present senior pilot longevity problem and prevent its recurrence. The topped out regional captain of the future will be an $85K/year pilot putting in 80-85 hours/month...........and that's in 2018 dollars. The good old days of $100-140K/year regional pilots are over. It was inevitable and the timing is actually pretty much unsurprising. The writing on the wall appeared years ago, but many refused to read it. This all wouldn't be happening like this if Team Tony didn't sell out scope transfer rights. He must have known it to flip from Eagle Rights to Flow-thru.

    The jobs WILL be there, but the former senior lifestyle/compensation is dead.
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    Labor issues are existent world wide, next year when Delta end AA get back to the table should be interesting. Meanwhile pay attention to what's going on world wide. During these stressful months ahead make sure you use the IM SAFE checklist, make sure you are fit for duty.


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    Airline travel alert: Lufthansa strike on Friday




    After Germanwings recently stopped working for half a day, now Germanwings' parent airline Lufthansa is ready to strike tomorrow, Friday, September 5. The German Vereinigung Cockpit union for pilots said on Thursday that pilots at Lufthansa will stage a six-hour strike.


    Running from 5:00 p.m. to 11:00 p.m local time (1500 to 2100 UTC) the walkout will target short- and medium-haul flights to German and European destinations from Lufthansa's main hub in Frankfurt.
    As well as demanding a 10 percent salary increase, the union is demanding the reinstatement of a benefit that enabled pilots to retire early at 60 on partial pay. Lufthansa pilots can currently take paid early retirement from the age of 55, however the airline wants all fit pilots to keep flying until 65.
    Ongoing dispute


    The latest Lufthansa strike, which will involve pilots of Boeing 737, Airbus A320 and Embraer planes, comes less than a week after pilots at Lufthansa's budget airline Germanwings held a six-hour strike amid a dispute over similar early retirement benefits.


    According to a Germanwings spokeswoman, last Friday's strike grounded some 116 flights, out of a total of 164, affecting 15,000 passengers.The Vereinigung Cockpit statement made no reference to long-haul flights, indicating that they would not be affected.

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    Grievance filed....
    INCREASED FLYING OPPORTUNITIES The Company will aggressively seek to increase flying opportunities when it is economical, practical and feasible to do so, including, but not limited to, bidding on opportunities to provide additional feed to American Airlines, Inc.

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    Quote Originally Posted by eaglepilot View Post
    Grievance filed....
    INCREASED FLYING OPPORTUNITIES The Company will aggressively seek to increase flying opportunities when it is economical, practical and feasible to do so, including, but not limited to, bidding on opportunities to provide additional feed to American Airlines, Inc.
    Good luck. They can say it is not "economical, practical, or feasible," fairly easily. It's worth a try...

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