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    Anybody see this?

    http://www.pilotstrike.com

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    Check your HI6. Winkle told you to not do it!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by ThisGuy View Post
    Check your HI6. Winkle told you to not do it!!
    He also calls himself "captain".

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    Lufthansa Seeks to Avert Pilot Strike With New Labor Talks


    Deutsche Lufthansa AG LHA.XE +3.28% said Monday it continues to seek new talks with its pilots union to avert collective action, after the union said over the weekend it could strike at any time in a dispute over retirement benefits.


    "Lufthansa is ready to continue negotiations at any time—we want to find common solutions with the unions," the airline's board member for human resources and legal affairs, Bettina Volkens, said at a news conference.


    An imminent strike by the pilots union, Vereinigung Cockpit, would be the fourth union strike this year to hit the German flag-carrier, which already has had to slash its full-year operating profit outlook because of losses stemming from employee protests. Various trade unions have staged protests about wages, working conditions, benefits and the use of temporary employees, some of which are measures Lufthansa is implementing as part of its cost-cutting program. Through the program dubbed Score, the airline has cut thousands of jobs and aims to slash operating costs by €1.5 billion ($2 billion) by 2015. A three-day pilot strike in April, which grounded 3,800 flights, cost the airline €60 million in operating profit.


    The current dispute deals with transitional retirement benefits, with Vereinigung Cockpit at odds with the airline's plan to raise the early retirement age. Under current rules, pilots can retire and already receive 60% of their wages as of age 55, the age at which pilots were previously required to retire. Lufthansa said the retirement benefit rule was outdated now that pilots can fly until the age of 65.


    Lufthansa's Ms. Volkens said she was baffled Vereinigung Cockpit dropped the talks, given that ongoing negotiations were "constructive." She said Lufthansa already has made several offers but was waiting on a counterproposal.


    Lufthansa has proposed either raising the individual early retirement age to 60, increasing the collective average retirement age to 61 from 58, or absolving the airline from paying for early retirement for future employees. The airline currently doesn't offer any transitional retirement payments to employees hired after Jan. 1.


    The union hit back saying it wants uniform transitional payment rules for all its pilots and it still wasn't satisfied with Lufthansa's proposals.


    "As soon as Lufthansa presents a new, negotiable offer, then VC will pick up talks with them again, but not before," said Markus Wahl, a union spokesman. The union added, however, there may be some leeway to the transitional payment rules but it would want to clarify that with Lufthansa at the negotiating table.


    Vereinigung Cockpit represents between 85% and 90% of the 5,400 pilots who fly for Lufthansa, its cargo unit and budget operator Germanwings. The union said it would announce any strikes the day before they take place.


    "A long strike could endanger the full-year earnings target and again burden the company's reputation," said DZ Bank analyst Dirk Schlamp.


    The airline said it also wants to set a deadline for the negotiations and if no solution is reached before that time, then it will solicit a formal mediator. But Lufthansa said it would have to decide on that deadline with the pilots union.


    Lufthansa's stock has lost more than 40% of its value since the beginning of June when the airline issued its profit warning.


    — Markus Klausen contributed to this article.


    Write to Natalia Drozdiak at natalia.drozdiak@wsj.com

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    Quote Originally Posted by ThisGuy View Post
    Check your HI6. Winkle told you to not do it!!
    Neider also said "please confirm your reserve assignment the night prior". When these guys are desperate they say words like please. Thanks. We appreciate you. Winkle's whole email started about how much we are appreciated and the professionals we are. And "oh yeah". Don't call out sick. That's an illegal job action prevented by the railroad labor act. Im already off the 1st but I have no qualms about banging in the rest of the week. We're glad you're here!

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    Well Mr. Winkley, many of us did not know about this "action" until you so kindly brought it to our attention. Thank you and good job! In the future, please keep your empty and meaningless feel-good "we appreciate what you do and your professionalism" nonsense because we've all heard it before. Maybe you and the company should first try paying us and treating us like professionals. Many of us are nothing less than offended by the hypocrisy of your disingenuous emails. Our false praise falls on the beaten-down, deaf ears if a pilot group that has been continuosily lied to and deceived. Nobody trusts you or the company!!!! There's all you need for your survey, btw...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stringfellowhawke View Post
    Well Mr. Winkley, many of us did not know about this "action" until you so kindly brought it to our attention. Thank you and good job! In the future, please keep your empty and meaningless feel-good "we appreciate what you do and your professionalism" nonsense because we've all heard it before. Maybe you and the company should first try paying us and treating us like professionals. Many of us are nothing less than offended by the hypocrisy of your disingenuous emails. Our false praise falls on the beaten-down, deaf ears if a pilot group that has been continuosily lied to and deceived. Nobody trusts you or the company!!!! There's all you need for your survey, btw...
    You raise a very interesting point. Winkley just informed the entire pilot group about the website and it's intentions. Either he is a moron or like Chris G in LGA use to say. "PVD on the 5th looks iffy but you're not looking so well. You need to see a doctor? "

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    and the copay is only 20 dollars
    Sir, can I have another.

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    $20 for a couple of days off doesn't sound too bad, but putting it that way might give the company ideas. $20 PVD application fee. $25 for PO.
    Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable.

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    American Airlines Needs to Deal With Regional Pilot Pay Issues, Says Lee Moak

    http://www.thestreet.com/story/12857...-lee-moak.html
    Sir, can I have another.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Flugschlafen View Post
    $20 for a couple of days off doesn't sound too bad, but putting it that way might give the company ideas. $20 PVD application fee. $25 for PO.
    I believe there are laws that protect such a thing.

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    Yeah, he said a "very small group of pilots on the internet" ...which after putting out the HI6 just turned into "every pilot who checks their HI6" ...good job Uncle Wiggily!

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    Any guesses as to how many people will participate in this?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Toliptihs View Post
    Any guesses as to how many people will participate in this?
    Every pilot who deems that per FAA regs, he/she, acting as final authority, is unfit and unsafe to fly... Could be a nasty case of diarrhea, could be a bad viral sinus infection which can't be treated by antibiotics; either way it is completely LEGAL to call sick, the SAFE THING TO DO, and required per FAR. If you are not fit to fly, DO NOT let any company email influence your decision to fly while sick. They say that safety is first, but enough proof exists that this is not so, and schedule comes first at any cost. We all know this to be fact. Responsibility for the safety of your pax, crew, and yourself is up to you as final authority, and must ignore company harassment, threats, and the brainwashing of false praise aka Winkley. If you are not well, do the right thing. It IS legal to use your sick time, and there's nothing they can do to say, or prove otherwise. Good flight my friends

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    I had absolutely no idea about this until Jim's email... I wonder how they will try and deal with anyone who does call in sick...

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    Try not to post any facebook or twitter pictures of you on the lake and you should be fine. Oh, and be sure to get a cough or two on the tapes when you call in. HA.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Slim pickens View Post
    Try not to post any facebook or twitter pictures of you on the lake and you should be fine. Oh, and be sure to get a cough or two on the tapes when you call in. HA.
    I like to turn on some party music and sound up beat when I call in sick.
    I just like to see if there is any reaction. hehe

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jdflyer View Post
    I had absolutely no idea about this until Jim's email... I wonder how they will try and deal with anyone who does call in sick...
    Our ALPA appointed attorney happens to be EXCELLENT (have dealt with him personally). He is at our disposal, and comes free of charge. Keep his email address handy

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    Be interesting to see how many JMs happen during those days! Maybe zero, if nobody shows up! haha

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    Quote Originally Posted by bluesideup View Post
    be interesting to see how many jms happen during those days! Maybe zero, if nobody shows up! Haha
    If you are fit to fly IAW FAR 61.53, all pilots should comply with their CBA. If you are not fit to fly such as due to fatigue (physical or mental), illness or "any medical condition that would make the person unable to meet the requirements for the medical certificate necessary for the pilot operation" you are obligated to remove yourself from flying. Our passengers expect our pilots to be 100%, not just 90%+. The FM-1 states "For all of us at Envoy, our first - and top - priority is the safety and security of our co-workers and customers."

    FAR 61.53
    § 61.53 prohibition on operations during medical deficiency.
    (a) operations that require a medical certificate. Except as provided for in paragraph (b) of this section, no person who holds a medical certificate issued under part 67 of this chapter may act as pilot in command, or in any other capacity as a required pilot flight crewmember, while that person:
    (1) knows or has reason to know of any medical condition that would make the person unable to meet the requirements for the medical certificate necessary for the pilot operation; or
    (2) is taking medication or receiving other treatment for a medical condition that results in the person being unable to meet the requirements for the medical certificate necessary for the pilot operation.
    http://www.aopa.org/Pilot-Resources/...cal-Deficiency
    Just remember that §61.53 is the “escape clause” of sorts for both the FAA and the pilot, and it places the burden on the pilot in command to make the determination that he/she is indeed medically qualified to fly. The regulation provides an understanding between the FAA and the pilot that applies from the time you walk out of the aviation medical examiner’s office with a new medical certificate until your next renewal date, be that six months or five years, depending upon your age and class of medical certificate held.

    Under normal circumstances, at no time during your voluntary grounding are you required to notify the FAA. Notification is made at the time of your next scheduled FAA physical examination. Once the condition that grounded you has resolved, (and it isn't one of the 15 specific disqualifying conditions) and you determine that you're again in compliance with the regulations, you may resume exercising the privileges of your existing medical certificate. The FAA's Chief Counsel, for the most part, agrees with this understanding but differs slightly by suggesting that, as a matter of policy, the pilot is "encouraged" to notify the FAA of a medical deficiency before exercising flying privileges.
    I do not endorse using "safety" as a euphemism for illegal job actions since it harms actual safety efforts. However, I fully support anyone who is sincerely complying with the FARs and other safety regulations.
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