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    I heard there was a 5 year term offer on the table that was turned down. Someone reading EL said it was there, anybody know anything?

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    yes it is true. the info was under executive session but is now coming to light. national was able to negotiate the deal to only 5 years if the mec unanimously voted to send it to the pilots. the capt rep in NY refused and thus we are stuck with the 10 year deal.

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    I'm glad, I'm sure there are other 'details'. Thank you Ray for standing up for those you represent. Also, why only throw the NY CA rep under the bus, especially as your first post? Alterior motives?

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    long time lurker, first time poster. thanks for the warm welcome.

    i did so because people deserve to know that he took away a legitimate positive piece for pilots who may be inclined to vote yes. is he so scared of letting the pilots make the decision for themselves that he needed to sabotage any ta? that's not leadership in my book.

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    I'm sure there were reasons why the 5 year deal was not accepted. Who knows what the terms were, they could've been worse. Even if they were better (read: not as bad), they could have simply been primed to position the company for yet more demands in 5 years without offering and real gains.

    Ray is most definitely not "scared", and how would you have a clue if it's "positive"?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Flugschlafen View Post
    I'm sure there were reasons why the 5 year deal was not accepted. Who knows what the terms were, they could've been worse. Even if they were better (read: not as bad), they could have simply been primed to position the company for yet more demands in 5 years without offering and real gains.

    Ray is most definitely not "scared", and how would you have a clue if it's "positive"?
    the terms of the deal were exactly the same except for the length.

    5 years of crap is better than 10 years of crap. that's a positive.

    don't get your panties in a bunch, i still voted no. but what he did was wrong and people should know about it.

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    How do you know. Source. Why should I take your word on it?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Flugschlafen View Post
    How do you know. Source. Why should I take your word on it?
    i've had multiple people who were in the room tell me. but this is the internets so it's up to you on what to believe. ask moak. he knows.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pilot View Post
    long time lurker, first time poster. thanks for the warm welcome.

    i did so because people deserve to know that he took away a legitimate positive piece for pilots who may be inclined to vote yes. is he so scared of letting the pilots make the decision for themselves that he needed to sabotage any ta? that's not leadership in my book.
    Either give proof or shut up.
    Plus... Long time lurker, since March 2014? Long time huh?

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    Probably Nem or Grim. Couldn't stand not being here and made a new account to start stirring the pot again.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rocky View Post
    Either give proof or shut up.
    Plus... Long time lurker, since March 2014? Long time huh?
    you can lurk without being a member. you only have to join to post.

    like i said, ask moak. then you can put up shut up push up jump up, whateva ya want.

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    Who cares? 5 or 10 it had concessions. Ray did the right thing. Voting yes would give it legitimacy. Furthermore his abstaining was correct given he had no opportunity to find out how his base felt about a 5 10 or 20 year deal.

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    I am sure that for 5 years they would have wanted something in return, they don't give you nothing for nothing!
    Also without polling the membership is a ord and trng trait but true reps discuss with there membership and management won't agree without discussing with dougy. So this is just another psychological game management is playing with us, they are in a world of hurt WHEN this goes down with the NO vote.
    Sir, can I have another.

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    No pedro is in a world of hurt! He has no business holding the position he holds and it is time for him to figure it out. He is so stupid my guess he is the only person in management without a golden parachute.

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    Pedro and winkley both morons in position they should not be in.
    Sir, can I have another.

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    $4,000,000,000 and $300,000 a year respectivle.

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    Garton was $6,000,000, I think I put toooooo many 00000's in Pedro, Cheers!!!!!

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    A happy voter....

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    Let's no drop names on non factual events. Not until we get an email from offial sources saying this really happened. You do have the right to express your personal opinion and "speculate" in your own words. I believe it's unfair to accuse a person if they can't defend themselves. With that said, I am only criticing Pedro on items he puts out to the public and his lack of consistency.

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    I don't mind when people speculate, but if one is going to make accusations you'd better have some facts lined up.
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