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    The GOP needs to reconsider their strategy regarding voters. This article points out a few good ideas.

    http://www.usatoday.com/story/opinio...media/1702827/
    The folks at Fox have been hugely successful in tying their brand to a single political party and tying that party to them. Republican voters nationwide know, in their heart of hearts, that to get the news they can use the only place to go is Fox. Similarly, Republican politicians know that if Fox hosts take a stand on something the only smart thing to do is agree with them or face the ire of Fox's largely white, older and quick-to-anger audience ? aka, the modern Republican base.

    Dear Republicans, this has to end. For its very survival, the Republican Party must file for divorce from the Fox network.

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    Fox News is successful because it's the only option for conservative viewers. The problem is media in general, and their tendency to only report to their audience. It is more about ratings and advertising dollars than it is to actually inform viewers in an unbiased fashion. If you've ever watched Chris Matthews foaming at the mouth on MSNBC, this would be blatantly obvious. CNN has kicked people to the curb for being too conservative. Fox isn't the problem with the GOP. The problem with the GOP is a society that is more diversified, and tending towards entitlements and government control. It's an ethical clash, and in no way, any sort of liberal mandate.

    Let's not forget that the country is still very evenly divided, and absent another minority candidate, there will be a shift back to the right in 2016. I'm hoping for conservative fiscal agendas and Christian morals to come back in vogue. They will, but it may take a little time to cycle back.

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    Only option? IMO that's a bad argument. There are news outlets from around the world available on the internet, local news, newspapers, magazines and more. Fox news is watched (just like the extreme left media) because it enforces what you believe and it doesn't require you to think. All you have to do is drool at the TV, say "Those *** **** liberals are ****ing everything up!", and that's about it. At least that's the essence of every argument I hear from the Fox/Limbaugh squad. Never any unbiased facts, never any thinking of a situation through from start to finish, never the impact of those decisions. Bomb 'em, send 'em home, gimme my guns and if you don't like it you're a godless un-american and going to h**l.

    Can't talk to them. Don't bother with reason. Forget about finding a middle ground. Guess I have some pretty rabid right-wing acquaintances.

    If I had to guess, the country isn't divided on how this country runs. Everyone I speak to, left and right, all want smaller government, good regulation (not less, not more, but all that is needed to do the job), proper and fair taxation and closing of loopholes, eliminating waste, capping government salaries and retirements to private sector averages, term limits, etc... Everyone agrees, no? Where's the sticking point? Abortion. Gun rights. Religion. Things that should have nothing to do with running the country. Can't be taxes, anyone with half a brain has seen both right and left raise and lower taxes. The right panders to the religious (even while presenting some stellar failures of following said religion) and is very good at painting the left as godless socialists who are gonna take your guns and pull the plug on babies and grandma with their health care. The left just paints the right as extreme religious fascists who need arsenals. Not too hard after a few shooting sprees by arsenal retaining nut-jobs and watching far right news babble about how the guns had nothing to do with it. Add the resistance to including other religions in public spaces while trying to justify Christianity and there you go.

    Agreed it will go to the right side next time. I've no problem with that, hopefully they'll put someone up who isn't part of the problem or has a hockey mom sidekick. WTH were they thinking?

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    As far as mainstream news networks broadcasted on all cable/sat/fiber go, yeah it's the only option. Notice I never said it was a great option. I don't watch it, but I'm not the type to enjoy that type of programming. I actually watched CNN during the elections, and only flipped to Fox to watch their spin. interesting side, note: only Bill O'Reilly accurately predicted the results, and gave perfect testimonial as to why.

    Fox News Business has a libertarian spin, which I do like when I feel like seeing news. Stossel is pretty enlightening.

    Palin was nominated to gain a segment they were deficient in. Period. I am amazed that they couldn't find a better minority to balance out the old white guy. Perhaps finding politicians with clean backgrounds is more difficult than it should be. You can bet there will be a Latino name on the ticket next go around. Promise.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KEITH STONE View Post
    .....Notice I never said it was a great option. I don't watch it, but I'm not the type to enjoy that type of programming......Fox News Business has a libertarian spin, which I do like when I feel like seeing news.
    Yeah, I don't watch it either. I don't watch MSNBC for the same reason; extreme political spin that defies logic and truthfulness.

    I do watch CNN HLN for the headlines, but mostly use the Internet for my news. What is funny is to watch CNN International in Mexico. No BS, no updates on Britney Spears or Bradgelina. Just world news. Good stuff.

    FWIW, I fail to see how Fox is libertarian. They're against smoking pot, same-sex marriage, abortion and anything else not on the GOP platform.

    Here's the Libertarian Party platform:
    http://www.lp.org/platform

    I'm pretty much in agreement with most of the LP's stance on the issues except for National Defense and International Affairs. I think their position is extremely naive.

    3.1 National Defense

    We support the maintenance of a sufficient military to defend the United States against aggression. The United States should both avoid entangling alliances and abandon its attempts to act as policeman for the world. We oppose any form of compulsory national service.

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    3.3 International Affairs

    American foreign policy should seek an America at peace with the world. Our foreign policy should emphasize defense against attack from abroad and enhance the likelihood of peace by avoiding foreign entanglements. We would end the current U.S. government policy of foreign intervention, including military and economic aid. We recognize the right of all people to resist tyranny and defend themselves and their rights. We condemn the use of force, and especially the use of terrorism, against the innocent, regardless of whether such acts are committed by governments or by political or revolutionary groups.

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    I said Fox Business. Maybe you don't get that channel. They do run Libertarian shows. Stossel, Napolitano etc.

    I'm very aware of the LP platform, and find myself aligned about 90%.
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    Quote Originally Posted by KEITH STONE View Post
    I said Fox Business. Maybe you don't get that channel. They do run Libertarian shows. Stossel, Napolitano etc.

    I'm very aware of the LP platform, and find myself aligned about 90%.
    No, I don't get Fox Biz. So you are pro-gay marriage, legalization of drugs, keeping abortion legal, repealing victim-less crimes and so forth?

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    I'm pro-liberty. I'm not for abortion, gay marriage or drugs personally, but if you are, fine. It's not the role of government to tell a woman what she does with her body. If you want to smoke weed all day and not do jack, that's cool, but you won't be supported by federal entitlements.

    I don't mix politics and religious practices.
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    I agree with those principles. The main area where I part ways with the Libertarians is over national defense. I think their isolationist ideas are naive.

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    Libertarians just want peace. They don't want us to be known as an aggressor nation, or one who polices the world. Many people hate us because of our tendency to deal in everyone else's issues. What are we supposed to do though? Sit back and eat cheeseburgers while innocents are slaughtered? It's a hard line to define.
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    Quote Originally Posted by KEITH STONE View Post
    I'm pro-liberty. I'm not for abortion, gay marriage or drugs personally, but if you are, fine. It's not the role of government to tell a woman what she does with her body. If you want to smoke weed all day and not do jack, that's cool, but you won't be supported by federal entitlements.

    I don't mix politics and religious practices.
    so, when does life begin?

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    Depends on which news channel you watch.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cujo665 View Post
    so, when does life begin?
    Life exists in every cell of your body. When you spit in the urinal, you are flushing "life" down the sewer.

    A better question is "When do a few cells become a human being?" Not human, since every cheek cell you flush is "human", but a human being.

    Which of these are a human being and which are animal?


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