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    I would expect a large vacancy bid within the next month. Could come anytime now.
    Not a reshuffle; expect upgrades.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cujo665 View Post
    I would expect a large vacancy bid within the next month. Could come anytime now. Not a reshuffle; expect upgrades.
    What do you know Cujo?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cujo665 View Post
    I would expect a large vacancy bid within the next month. Could come anytime now.
    Not a reshuffle; expect upgrades.
    I really hate when you do this. Why can't you just tell what you know and HOW you know it the first time? Do you enjoy the games?

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    Guess he can't stand, or is afraid of, being scooped.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KEITH STONE View Post
    I really hate when you do this. Why can't you just tell what you know and HOW you know it the first time? Do you enjoy the games?
    My two sources on the AA recall were high up in both the company and in the APA. I told several MEC members this news this morning asking them to keep it close to the vest until the news was passed to more people at the company. Us posting news of the recall before many managers knew about it would not be a good way to keep a source confidential.
    The vacancy info is from another company source, with nothing definite except that its coming. When I get more details I will pass em along.

    The 26NOV Eagle class will have 6 new hires in it.
    Last edited by Cujo665; 11-21-2012 at 09:28 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cujo665 View Post
    If I tell you how, I burn my source. Right now, not enough people have officially been told. Many are guessing it now, since Hale's letter came out.
    I can see a need for a vacancy if AE Inc knows that flow throughs will be leaving, but there are still lots of furloughs to go through.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KEITH STONE View Post
    I can see a need for a vacancy if AE Inc knows that flow throughs will be leaving, but there are still lots of furloughs to go through.
    There are 266 furloughs and 1050 who deferred last time. The APA is expecting 10% to actually accept recall. Roughly 130-150 pilots. That's about 4 classes of 40. Two classes a month. FT's start going in March.

    Long term is a bit under two months then IOE.... To have people ready by March, they need to be running classes by January. They may be able to move recent displacements back to the left seat with a short program, maybe even just a PIC PC... our schoolhouse guys can answer this one for us.
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    130-150??? Seriously?

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    Quote Originally Posted by KEITH STONE View Post
    130-150??? Seriously?
    It was their number, they say it was roughly a 10% return rate. Ask some of our APA members on here; they'll confirm it was the return rate they got.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cujo665 View Post
    There are 266 furloughs and 1050 who deferred last time. The APA is expecting 10% to actually accept recall. Roughly 130-150 pilots. That's about 4 classes of 40. Two classes a month. FT's start going in March.

    Long term is a bit under two months then IOE.... To have people ready by March, they need to be running classes by January. They may be able to move recent displacements back to the left seat with a short program, maybe even just a PIC PC... our schoolhouse guys can answer this one for us.
    AA Chief Pilot Hale said 40 recalls per month, not two classes of 40 per month as you claim. Do you have other information other than what Hale published officially?

    His comments addressed welcoming BACK "furloughed pilots", there was no mention of welcoming Flow-Through pilots. In actual fact his message was directed more at the 1002 AA pilots who have deferred recall and not at the 649 AA pilots who are currently furloughed and have not yet been offered recall. Furthermore, at 40 recalls per month using your recall statistics, the first Flow-Through pilot would transfer to AA in May. What makes you believe that American Eagle Airlines will still be a wholly-owned subsidiary of AMR Corporation in May 2013 and/or that AA will honor the transfer of Flow-Through pilots from an airline that is not American Eagle Airlines Inc.? Letter 3. I. Preamble. A. states: "This Supplemental Agreement governs American Airlines, Inc. (AA) employment opportunities for a pilot employed at any commuter carrier (or its successor) WHICH IS MAJORITY OWNED BY AMR EAGLE, INC., OR ANY SUCCESSOR(S) TO AMR EAGLE INC." (focus on the words MAJORITY OWNED).

    Furthermore, bear in mind that AMR Eagle Inc. or American Eagle Airlines Inc. will not be the divested entities prior to AMR exiting bankruptcy, the divested entity will be a newly named company that just provides feed to AA (or US Airways?) under the American Eagle brand name similar to Skywest, ExpressJet and other airlines to be announced.

    I hope you are correct and I am incorrect but with the current shortage of regional airline new hire pilots, do you honestly believe that AA will rob its regional feed of desperately needed cheap pilots when it can rob pilots from the regional feeders for Delta and United?
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    I'd say they are going to need us just as much as we Need them. If they don't take AE pilots then the pilots will go elsewhere. From the numbers I've been reading since bankruptcy AA have around 6500 active pilots. That is a much smaller number than what AA want people to think. Once the pension and the retirement benefits are worked out at AA, I'd expect a mass retirement. Anyway it's always nice to hope for some good news.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Grimreaper View Post
    AA Chief Pilot Hale said 40 recalls per month, not two classes of 40 per month as you claim. Do you have other information other than what Hale published officially?

    His comments addressed welcoming BACK "furloughed pilots", there was no mention of welcoming Flow-Through pilots. In actual fact his message was directed more at the 1002 AA pilots who have deferred recall and not at the 649 AA pilots who are currently furloughed and have not yet been offered recall. Furthermore, at 40 recalls per month using your recall statistics, the first Flow-Through pilot would transfer to AA in May. What makes you believe that American Eagle Airlines will still be a wholly-owned subsidiary of AMR Corporation in May 2013 and/or that AA will honor the transfer of Flow-Through pilots from an airline that is not American Eagle Airlines Inc.? Letter 3. I. Preamble. A. states: "This Supplemental Agreement governs American Airlines, Inc. (AA) employment opportunities for a pilot employed at any commuter carrier (or its successor) WHICH IS MAJORITY OWNED BY AMR EAGLE, INC., OR ANY SUCCESSOR(S) TO AMR EAGLE INC." (focus on the words MAJORITY OWNED).

    Furthermore, bear in mind that AMR Eagle Inc. or American Eagle Airlines Inc. will not be the divested entities prior to AMR exiting bankruptcy, the divested entity will be a newly named company that just provides feed to AA (or US Airways?) under the American Eagle brand name similar to Skywest, ExpressJet and other airlines to be announced.

    I hope you are correct and I am incorrect but with the current shortage of regional airline new hire pilots, do you honestly believe that AA will rob its regional feed of desperately needed cheap pilots when it can rob pilots from the regional feeders for Delta and United?
    you're correct on some, wrong on the other.

    I did mistakenly post 2 classes of 40. It's 40 per month, which could be two classes of 20. On the 824; re-read it. It transfers with our pilot group.
    Yes, AA will rob it's regional of pilots. The plan the whole time has been to shrink Eagle. The fleet plan (as deduced from the furlough protection crap) is fairly accurate to the numbers I hear elsewhere. That means Eagle shrinks to 205ish airframes before any growth 4 years from now, when they expect the pilot shortage to sort itself out. That means we have 1,100 more pilots than we need. Flowing them through is better than laying them off.
    Last edited by Cujo665; 11-22-2012 at 10:43 AM.

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    I don't believe anything, regardless of the source even if it's from the top, until I see it on the ramp. It'd be nice if we had a big vacancy bid, but like the current one, a lot of those classes are a ways off. I doubt the company knows what it will do until after the dust settles on the AA contracts.

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    Cujo I can't believe you talked to the mec! Did you make them sign an NDA??

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    Just a small correction Cujo, there are 649 pilots still on furlough.
    The defered pilots I think it will be less than 5% will accept. Some will just wait until AA is out of BK and wait and see what happens if they do merge with USAir. The other reason they announced now is that deferees have 30 days to make their decision. I will also say looking at the time line the first class will be undermaned, They will not have enough time to contact furloughees to fill the first class. Last year they increased the number of recalls when they were short before. Probably will not have a good idea until mid December as to the accept rate.

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    Quote Originally Posted by downwind View Post
    Cujo I can't believe you talked to the mec! Did you make them sign an NDA??
    I do not, and have not, spoken with Team Tony since they turned me in to the company on 16FEB12.

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    I didn't think so.

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    Quote Originally Posted by downwind View Post
    I didn't think so.
    But I do keep close tabs on them....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cujo665 View Post
    On the 824; re-read it. It transfers with our pilot group.
    Yes, AA will rob it's regional of pilots. The plan the whole time has been to shrink Eagle. The fleet plan (as deduced from the furlough protection crap) is fairly accurate to the numbers I hear elsewhere. That means Eagle shrinks to 205ish airframes before any growth 4 years from now, when they expect the pilot shortage to sort itself out. That means we have 1,100 more pilots than we need. Flowing them through is better than laying them off.
    I was not referring to the "824 preferential hiring" pilots. I was referring to the 244 American Eagle pilots who hold an AA seniority number (APA Pilot Seniority List of November 2012), and who have not been transferred to AA. Not a single "824 preferential hiring" pilot will transfer to AA until every AE pilot with an AA number has been transferred to American Airlines. What is undeniable is that, since 1999, AA/APA/AE/ALPA have worked tirelessly to prevent American Eagle pilots from transferring to AA.

    You state "re-read it". What must I re-read? What signed legal document, by AA or the APA, that can be presented as evidence in an arbitration or a court, do you possess that binds American Airlines and the APA to the "824 preferential hiring" number? What signed legal document can you refer to that would bind or obligate a successor to AA (US Airways) to the "824 preferential hiring" number?

    You say "Flowing them through is better than laying them off". Why would AE Captains be laid off (presuming the "824" are AE captains)? The lay-offs will be First Officers. Many of the "824" will be displaced to First Officer status if a large "lay-off" occurs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cujo665 View Post
    But I do keep close tabs on them....
    They keep tabs on us too...BAR TABS.

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